Buying land for the end of the world

[higgmond]

@isildurrr

I dont get it.

why would you spend money to buy land for the end of earth unless you’re going to spend time setting up booby-traps and what not.

I mean someone turning up at you’re gates with a gun isn’t going to respect your ownership or anything post apocolypse

I would think that you want to have your stuff setup there and ready to go. Can’t do that if you don’t own the land now.

[Black_Swan]

@brain\_wash\_your\_face

@isildurrr

I dont get it.

why would you spend money to buy land for the end of earth unless you’re going to spend time setting up booby-traps and what not.

Duh, obviously. Really the best way to go if you’re talking survivalism is a cabin with an abandoned missile silo underneath. Like this: http://www.missilebases.com/properties. The one is Tucson is pretty affordable too. You could store so many weapons, ammo, supplies in these things because they are huge. Plus, they are pretty freakin’ tough to break into (they were housing missiles, after all).

A lot of people try to make them really nice, but I think the way to go is pure survivalist. If you could figure out a source for water or a way to grow something down there then you could live like you’re on the moon base 1.

The obvious risk would be the chance that outdated Russian intel lists your bunker as an active strike and you get taken out in the first wave.

[itera]

Judgment Day is inevitable in a different timeline; it was merely delayed.

Skynet is waiting to take over.

[Black_Swan]

I got an automatic stapler the other day in my cubicle. I’m sure it will be the first to turn when the machines rise up. I’m keeping my eye on it.

[ofthedivision17]

@Inner_Evil_Voice

@ofthedivision17

A very good friend of mine (civil engineer) is a self-described “survivalist.” Although his world view is a bit more pessimistic than my own, he has me convinced to buy some raw land with him in the next 10-15 years. He often sends me links for acreage in the Western United States. The land is not only picturesque, but also, surprisingly affordable. My fiance, who is from North Dakota, is 100% on board. While the land could serve as a survival plot, I look at it more as an investment and as a vacation / retirement property.

Tell your civil engineer friend it’s a no-go unless he’s sweetening the plan by bringing his GF to the mix. She must be at least as attractive as your fiancée. Two guys and one chick in survival mode is a recipe for disaster; he’ll probably cut your throat to keep your chick during the first week.

Next time keep an eye on his expressions when he’s talking to your GF. You’ll find whether he’s setting you up or what.

Haha - that thought never crossed my mind until now! I guess it’s every man for himself on our survival plot.

[MoreMoneyPleas]

@soapbox440

Has anyone ever considered buying land somewhere remote in preparation for the end of the modern world/society?

It could be a holiday home in the meantime, and become a self sufficient homestead when sh*t gets wild…

How much land would you need and where would you do it? What would you keep there?

All it takes is an outbreak or civil unrest and we could be in some real trouble!

chickens and ammo

maybe one of those fleshlight things

[McLeod81]

I got 5 acres of land in San Luis Colorado as a gift once. Never been there but it seems remote enough. All I know about the land is that it’s undeveloped, basically worthless, and I get a $70 property tax bill every year.

[McLeod81]

If the world went to sh1t you wouldnt need to “own” anything. If you find a nice secluded place take it. And if you have your own place dont expect others to respect your property rights. Thats where guns and ammo come in handy.

[MoreMoneyPleas]

@McLeod81

If the world went to sh1t you wouldnt need to “own” anything. If you find a nice secluded place take it. And if you have your own place dont expect others to respect your property rights. Thats where guns and ammo come in handy.

I totally agree.

If there is a financial crisis, if anything happens to the US dollar, nobody is going to accept your bitcoin, your gold, nothing. The only thing they might accept is food, seeds, animals, guns, ammo. And if you do find yourself in a situation where somebody does want to trade something you have, it’s going to be the most tense exchange ever. Similar to some of the drug deals from scarface. A lot at stake, in a bad area. Chances are they’ll ambush you and take your farm.

[Black_Swan]

@McLeod81

If the world went to sh1t you wouldnt need to “own” anything. If you find a nice secluded place take it. And if you have your own place dont expect others to respect your property rights. Thats where guns and ammo come in handy.

You’re ignoring the fact that “owning” the place now allows you to make the preparations we listed above. Good luck showing up and “taking” a property from a prepared survivalist, especially if you’re one of those beta male cubicle jockey new york types.

[soapbox440]

@Black_Swan

You’re ignoring the fact that “owning” the place now allows you to make the preparations we listed above. Good luck showing up and “taking” a property from a prepared survivalist, especially if you’re one of those beta male cubicle jockey new york types.

This is exactly the point. You choose somewhere remote, off the track, and prepare it. I think owning woodland could be an advantage that you can use the wood for various things… but you would also be looking at some arable land to grow crops etc. tinned beans will only keep you for so long.

Getting to the location should also be considered. Sure, i plan on jumping on my motorbike but fuel is going to be an issue, and quickly, if things heat up.

[ofthedivision17]

I have given this situation more thought than I care to admit anywhere other than an internet message board. Some of my closest friends and I have made a pact to purchase a plot of land together in the Western United States. The primary reason is that we all find “Big Sky Country” to be among the most desirable places to visit or retire. However, we also recognize the possibility that civil unrest could make it difficult for us to live in large cities. We are already at a point where 47% of Americans are dependent on the federal government. What is going to happen when we hit the 50/50 tipping point? Some Americans will simply vote themselves a share of the federal treasury. How long can that process be sustained?

[itera]

@MoreMoneyPleas

@McLeod81

If the world went to sh1t you wouldnt need to “own” anything. If you find a nice secluded place take it. And if you have your own place dont expect others to respect your property rights. Thats where guns and ammo come in handy.

I totally agree.

If there is a financial crisis, if anything happens to the US dollar, nobody is going to accept your bitcoin, your gold, nothing. The only thing they might accept is food, seeds, animals, guns, ammo. And if you do find yourself in a situation where somebody does want to trade something you have, it’s going to be the most tense exchange ever. Similar to some of the drug deals from scarface. A lot at stake, in a bad area. Chances are they’ll ambush you and take your farm.

Actually, if the world went to heck, gold would certainly be accepted. Because there is true intrinsic value in gold, unlike the dollar bill.

[MoreMoneyPleas]

I guess it depends how bad things get. In general, you’ll be hard pressed to trade a starving man gold, in my opinion.

[soapbox440]

So it’s value is its use? If nobody is using it, then it cant be worth much.

[ofthedivision17]

Gold is already legal tender in Utah and Arizona. If anything, I would expect its use as money to become more mainstream.

[brain_wash_your_face]

@ofthedivision17

Gold is already legal tender in Utah and Arizona. If anything, I would expect its use as money to become more mainstream.

99% of the US is wiped out and you think gold is more valuable to people than, say, a producing farm, clean water or tools/knowledge to survive. Good luck with that. I’m not selling my venison jerky for useless metal.

[Black_Swan]

@brain\_wash\_your\_face

@ofthedivision17

Gold is already legal tender in Utah and Arizona. If anything, I would expect its use as money to become more mainstream.

99% of the US is wiped out and you think gold is more valuable to people than, say, a producing farm, clean water or tools/knowledge to survive. Good luck with that. I’m not selling my venison jerky for useless metal.

Agreed. In the absense of functioning civilization, functional goods will be king.

[ohai]

It depends on the level of civilization collapse. At apocalypse level 10, maybe gold is worthless. But at levels 1 to 8 or so, gold will still be useful. Think of the Middle Ages or so. Civilization was still a bunch of lords going around raping peasants (at least based on the movie Braveheart), but gold still had high value.

Of course, as laws break down, it might become increasingly important to build defenses for your gold stockpile.

[Black_Swan]

@ohai

It depends on the level of civilization collapse. At apocalypse level 10, maybe gold is worthless. But at levels 1 to 8 or so, gold will still be useful. Think of the Middle Ages or so. Civilization was still a bunch of lords going around raping peasants (at least based on the movie Braveheart), but gold still had high value.

Of course, as laws break down, it might become increasingly important to build defenses for your gold stockpile.

Could you break down your rating system with detailed descriptions of levels 1-10?