I think he is from Mongolia or maybe North Korea.
Disagree. Most, if not all, of the people I’ve talked to that have finished the program felt it was difficult (as did I) and admit that it requires hundreds of hours of studying for each level. Not many other tests require that much studying to pass. And your theory that only people who failed a level or two think it was difficult is wrong as I passed all on first try. Not arguing that it’s more beneficial than a top MBA, just pointing out the clear unexplained bitterness toward the program infinity has. He literally goes out of his way to bash it any chance he gets, just doesn’t make any sense from someone that pays dues and is a charterholder.
IsThereAny: infinitybenzo: birdman12345: infinitybenzo:forget cfa. Right now, you think cfa would be the best to have especially because cfa is out of your hand now. but focus on your career and study gmat and get an mba from a great school. this beats cfa hands down. sure it is more expensive but hey you get what you paid for. plus with an mba, you are guaranteed for a pay upgrade given you go to a great program and most importantly, you will have new friends and network that will last for a long time. These new contacts are real people who know you in person and will be much more valuable than AF forum in giving you advice and new opportunities.
Now get outta here.
Of course, this isn’t an option for everyone, and some want to use the CFA as a means to get in to the field in order to get the experience in order to get to the MBA. The desirable MBA programs don’t have 100% acceptance rates.
look these people want “front office” high flying jobs in finance and make tons of money and make it rain on weekends with bottles and models…this ain’t gonna happen with half ass effort…cfa is the easier route than a top ranked mba so these people want to be the top dog in finance by taking the easier route?? Yes, acceptance rates at top schools are under 10% in the US and the pass rates for cfa exams are around 45% for each level.
You don’t need to hold finance jobs now…i have seen plenty of people change their careers 180 degrees post mba. If anyone really wants a front office finance job but cannot get one right now due to mediocre ugrad, gpa or whatever…sure cfa is the easy route but highly doubt it will work out. just work in whatever field you are in right now and work towards your mba app - gmat, climbing up the ladder, volunteer work etc.
While what you’re saying may be true regarding a top MBA, the hostility and consistency of your posts bashing the difficulty and benefits of the CFA lead me to believe that you actually never completed the program and are bitter towards the whole process. Any time there’s a discussion around the topic, 10/10 times I see a post from you just like the one above. Kinda sad…
coming in hot straight outta the gate!!! you must have been pumped yesterday afternoon!!! I am not sure where I "bashed’ the difficulty of the CFA Program or its benefits. I only stated the facts…It IS TRUE that on average the pass rates for 3 levels are around 40-45%. This means that YES, coming in around 40th place out of 100 people and you will pass.
In other posts - I wrote to an OP who was not in finance due to whatever reason that CFA may not be his/her best bet to change careers. Best route would be a top20 MBA program…sure it is tough and costs more but hey you get what you paid for.
Look I am just trying to give these people an honest opinion/advice instead of telling them that CFA is sought after like top20 MBA at hedge funds in NYC or that the things they will learn in the CFA exams will take them to the next level in terms of career change…or I could tell them to just take up plumbing haha.
Nah wasn’t “pumped” at all. CFA has helped me with my career and I’ve seen it help many others. Besides, the only tough part about MBA is actually getting in. Once you’re in it’s a cake walk.
tickersu: IsThereAny:While what you’re saying may be true regarding a top MBA, the hostility and consistency of your posts bashing the difficulty and benefits of the CFA lead me to believe that you actually never completed the program and are bitter towards the whole process. Any time there’s a discussion around the topic, 10/10 times I see a post from you just like the one above. Kinda sad…
Without knowing Infinity very well, I can say it’s entirely possible he did the program with the expectation that “it’s rigor, quality, and prestige” would be sought after and recognized, but completed it and felt that it was over-hyped. A lot of people I know who were taking the exams kept talking about how difficult and rigorous it was-- these people were failing or barely passing, and didn’t do well in school. Most of the people who did well in school (that I know), took the exams and passed on first attempt. They frequently asked “when does this get as difficult as everyone claims?”
Naturally, you will be biased from your experience, but the people who I know that failed some part of the program usually talk more respectfully of it and about how prestigious it is to complete. The people who didn’t falter in the process have more of a “meh” attitude about it. These mentalities make sense if you ask me.
I also wouldn’t disagree with his assertion that MBA (top) is probably better due to the type of people going to those programs (wealthy, connected, you name it…). Some people complete the CFA program without meeting a single connection that can help them get a top job.
Disagree. Most, if not all, of the people I’ve talked to that have finished the program felt it was difficult (as did I) and admit that it requires hundreds of hours of studying for each level. Not many other tests require that much studying to pass. And your theory that only people who failed a level or two think it was difficult is wrong as I passed all on first try. Not arguing that it’s more beneficial than a top MBA, just pointing out the clear unexplained bitterness toward the program infinity has. He literally goes out of his way to bash it any chance he gets, just doesn’t make any sense from someone that pays dues and is a charterholder.
look at my comment above addressed to you…no bashing just truth talking that is all.
exam does take “hundreds” of hours to pass NOT because the material is difficult or becaucse the pass rate is SO low BUT because the sheer volume…Now the actual material…come on man don’t kid yourself. Level I asks about def. tax liability and LIFO and FIFO. Level 2 asks about what is R^2 represent, Dupont…level 3 asks about risk tolerance level of some dude in a story who has 2mm in cash and loves to skydive…3 answer choices and ~45% pass rate. I “did not go out of my way” to bash CFA…NOPE. Merely stated the facts and an alternative route to the OPs of landing a front office job.
infinitybenzo: IsThereAny: infinitybenzo: birdman12345: infinitybenzo:forget cfa. Right now, you think cfa would be the best to have especially because cfa is out of your hand now. but focus on your career and study gmat and get an mba from a great school. this beats cfa hands down. sure it is more expensive but hey you get what you paid for. plus with an mba, you are guaranteed for a pay upgrade given you go to a great program and most importantly, you will have new friends and network that will last for a long time. These new contacts are real people who know you in person and will be much more valuable than AF forum in giving you advice and new opportunities.
Now get outta here.
Of course, this isn’t an option for everyone, and some want to use the CFA as a means to get in to the field in order to get the experience in order to get to the MBA. The desirable MBA programs don’t have 100% acceptance rates.
look these people want “front office” high flying jobs in finance and make tons of money and make it rain on weekends with bottles and models…this ain’t gonna happen with half ass effort…cfa is the easier route than a top ranked mba so these people want to be the top dog in finance by taking the easier route?? Yes, acceptance rates at top schools are under 10% in the US and the pass rates for cfa exams are around 45% for each level.
You don’t need to hold finance jobs now…i have seen plenty of people change their careers 180 degrees post mba. If anyone really wants a front office finance job but cannot get one right now due to mediocre ugrad, gpa or whatever…sure cfa is the easy route but highly doubt it will work out. just work in whatever field you are in right now and work towards your mba app - gmat, climbing up the ladder, volunteer work etc.
While what you’re saying may be true regarding a top MBA, the hostility and consistency of your posts bashing the difficulty and benefits of the CFA lead me to believe that you actually never completed the program and are bitter towards the whole process. Any time there’s a discussion around the topic, 10/10 times I see a post from you just like the one above. Kinda sad…
coming in hot straight outta the gate!!! you must have been pumped yesterday afternoon!!! I am not sure where I "bashed’ the difficulty of the CFA Program or its benefits. I only stated the facts…It IS TRUE that on average the pass rates for 3 levels are around 40-45%. This means that YES, coming in around 40th place out of 100 people and you will pass.
In other posts - I wrote to an OP who was not in finance due to whatever reason that CFA may not be his/her best bet to change careers. Best route would be a top20 MBA program…sure it is tough and costs more but hey you get what you paid for.
Look I am just trying to give these people an honest opinion/advice instead of telling them that CFA is sought after like top20 MBA at hedge funds in NYC or that the things they will learn in the CFA exams will take them to the next level in terms of career change…or I could tell them to just take up plumbing haha.
Nah wasn’t “pumped” at all. CFA has helped me with my career and I’ve seen it help many others. Besides, the only tough part about MBA is actually getting in. Once you’re in it’s a cake walk.
LOL yeah getting in takes tons of work. Few months of GMAT and application not to mention your exrra curr stuff and 4 years of your ugrad GPA and rec. letters…CFA exams…just sign up and take the exams…work approval?? we all know all kinds of jobs get approved these days…not bashing just stating the facts. “Once you’re in it’s a cake walk” mmm sure maybe compared to calculating LIFO numbers and required rate of return in CFA exams for sure…
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IsThereAny: tickersu: IsThereAny:While what you’re saying may be true regarding a top MBA, the hostility and consistency of your posts bashing the difficulty and benefits of the CFA lead me to believe that you actually never completed the program and are bitter towards the whole process. Any time there’s a discussion around the topic, 10/10 times I see a post from you just like the one above. Kinda sad…
Without knowing Infinity very well, I can say it’s entirely possible he did the program with the expectation that “it’s rigor, quality, and prestige” would be sought after and recognized, but completed it and felt that it was over-hyped. A lot of people I know who were taking the exams kept talking about how difficult and rigorous it was-- these people were failing or barely passing, and didn’t do well in school. Most of the people who did well in school (that I know), took the exams and passed on first attempt. They frequently asked “when does this get as difficult as everyone claims?”
Naturally, you will be biased from your experience, but the people who I know that failed some part of the program usually talk more respectfully of it and about how prestigious it is to complete. The people who didn’t falter in the process have more of a “meh” attitude about it. These mentalities make sense if you ask me.
I also wouldn’t disagree with his assertion that MBA (top) is probably better due to the type of people going to those programs (wealthy, connected, you name it…). Some people complete the CFA program without meeting a single connection that can help them get a top job.
Disagree. Most, if not all, of the people I’ve talked to that have finished the program felt it was difficult (as did I) and admit that it requires hundreds of hours of studying for each level. Not many other tests require that much studying to pass. And your theory that only people who failed a level or two think it was difficult is wrong as I passed all on first try. Not arguing that it’s more beneficial than a top MBA, just pointing out the clear unexplained bitterness toward the program infinity has. He literally goes out of his way to bash it any chance he gets, just doesn’t make any sense from someone that pays dues and is a charterholder.
look at my comment above addressed to you…no bashing just truth talking that is all.
exam does take “hundreds” of hours to pass NOT because the material is difficult or becaucse the pass rate is SO low BUT because the sheer volume…Now the actual material…come on man don’t kid yourself. Level I asks about def. tax liability and LIFO and FIFO. Level 2 asks about what is R^2 represent, Dupont…level 3 asks about risk tolerance level of some dude in a story who has 2mm in cash and loves to skydive…3 answer choices and ~45% pass rate. I “did not go out of my way” to bash CFA…NOPE. Merely stated the facts and an alternative route to the OPs of landing a front office job.
blah blah blah I never said the material was rocket science… I was talking about the difficulty of getting through the program which makes sense given the context of the discussion.
Holistically, given the sheer volume of material on each exam, the “tricky” way the CFA Institute often asks questions to make sure you know the material inside/out, and the amount of effort/dedication needed to pass each of the 3 exams makes the program challenging to complete.
You constantly argue how “easy” the program is, which clearly contradicts needing to study hundreds of hours each level to pass (which you admitted above). Your whole stance lacks logic and screams bitterness for whatever reason. Which begs the question, why so bitter?
not bitter but if i come out as bitter i guess i am…this is first step to our therapy right?
i am infinity and i am bitter. lol
For a mid-career person, I’d weight a CFA even with a Top 20 MBA. The CFA is quite challenging and few make it through all three levels especially if they had a spouse and/or kids to deal with as well.
IsThereAny must have really struggled with the exams…lol I “bashed” something you worked so dearly for
I only stated the facts about pass rates - ~40% represent that you only need to come in around 40th place out of 100 people to pass cfa exams - to point out that no, the exam itself is not THAT difficult to pass. Yes, crap ton of books so you need to memorize stuff so that may take some time but is the material diffciult? NO. Tough to pass? at 40% pass rate? NO.
again this ain’t bashing this is stating the facts to the OP who forever banned from taking another CFA that hey CFA is not some be-all and end-all…I merely told him to go for an MBA, which is much better at changing one’s careers… Again fact.
IsThereAny must have really struggled with the exams…lol I “bashed” something you worked so dearly for
I only stated the facts about pass rates - ~40% represent that you only need to come in around 40th place out of 100 people to pass cfa exams - to point out that no, the exam itself is not THAT difficult to pass. Yes, crap ton of books so you need to memorize stuff so that may take some time but is the material diffciult? NO. Tough to pass? at 40% pass rate? NO.
again this ain’t bashing this is stating the facts to the OP who forever banned from taking another CFA that hey CFA is not some be-all and end-all…I merely told him to go for an MBA, which is much better at changing one’s careers… Again fact.
*yawn* I stand by my theory that you never passed the exams and are now bitter towards the whole program.
infinitybenzo:IsThereAny must have really struggled with the exams…lol I “bashed” something you worked so dearly for
I only stated the facts about pass rates - ~40% represent that you only need to come in around 40th place out of 100 people to pass cfa exams - to point out that no, the exam itself is not THAT difficult to pass. Yes, crap ton of books so you need to memorize stuff so that may take some time but is the material diffciult? NO. Tough to pass? at 40% pass rate? NO.
again this ain’t bashing this is stating the facts to the OP who forever banned from taking another CFA that hey CFA is not some be-all and end-all…I merely told him to go for an MBA, which is much better at changing one’s careers… Again fact.
*yawn* I stand by my theory that you never passed the exams and are now bitter towards the whole program.
El Oh El.
now you resort to this hahaha.
Alright guys, I rented out the place for next Saturday. You already know there’s only one rule.
#Thunderdome
IsThereAny: infinitybenzo:IsThereAny must have really struggled with the exams…lol I “bashed” something you worked so dearly for
I only stated the facts about pass rates - ~40% represent that you only need to come in around 40th place out of 100 people to pass cfa exams - to point out that no, the exam itself is not THAT difficult to pass. Yes, crap ton of books so you need to memorize stuff so that may take some time but is the material diffciult? NO. Tough to pass? at 40% pass rate? NO.
again this ain’t bashing this is stating the facts to the OP who forever banned from taking another CFA that hey CFA is not some be-all and end-all…I merely told him to go for an MBA, which is much better at changing one’s careers… Again fact.
*yawn* I stand by my theory that you never passed the exams and are now bitter towards the whole program.
El Oh El.
now you resort to this hahaha.
Just admit it… you will feel so much better! This alternate “Charterholder” persona is obviously weighing on you.
Alright guys, I rented out the place for next Saturday. You already know there’s only one rule.
#Thunderdome
lol tell me where to sign. Although I’m sure infinity won’t want to be outed as the catfish he is…
now i remember
Yo IsThereAny was one of the posters on the thread CFA the most hardest exam on the planet or something along the lines that CFA IS very difficult…okay now i see why you got so offended by me when i brought up not so inspiring stats about the exam pass rates and how mba may be the best bet for career changers… or maybe cfa charter got you 8 figure job and calls from Dimon and Buffett asking you to join their management committee.
now i remember
Yo IsThereAny was one of the posters on the thread CFA the most hardest exam on the planet or something along the lines that CFA IS very difficult…okay now i see why you got so offended by me when i brought up not so inspiring stats about the exam pass rates and how mba may be the best bet for career changers… or maybe cfa charter got you 8 figure job and calls from Dimon and Buffett asking you to join their management committee.
Ok this is clearly getting derailed into an elementary school argument. Let me ask you this (assuming you have actually passed all 3 exams, which I’m not convinced you have…): How is something that takes hundreds of hours of preparation for 3 different exams considered “easy” infinity? Please enlighten us with your infinite wisdom.
okay here is my answer…I have been a charterholder since 2014 and a member of nyssa only because my fund pays the dues.
Yes, it did take hundreds of hours to pass each level of the cfa exam. It was “tough” not because of the difficulty of the material but because the sheer volume of the material. Again, the material was not difficult to learn. And again, the pass rates are ~40% so you just need to perform slightly better off than the middle of the pack…
let me ask you this - the post i wrote to the OP was all fact so not sure where you think i bashed
2015 Toyota Prius is slow and underpowered - has a 121hp engine - therefore an M4 would beat it in a drag race. This is fact…but to you this is bashing Prius? lol
okay here is my answer…I have been a charterholder since 2014 and a member of nyssa only because my fund pays the dues.
Yes, it did take hundreds of hours to pass each level of the cfa exam. It was “tough” not because of the difficulty of the material but because the sheer volume of the material. Again, the material was not difficult to learn. And again, the pass rates are ~40% so you just need to perform slightly better off than the middle of the pack…
let me ask you this - the post i wrote to the OP was all fact so not sure where you think i bashed
2015 Toyota Prius is slow and underpowered - has a 121hp engine - therefore an M4 would beat it in a drag race. This is fact…but to you this is bashing Prius? lol
Thank you for the bold. My point the whole time and I agree that top MBA is best for 180 degree career shift. Not everyone is looking to do that though and oftentimes the CFA is a great tool for career advancement in investment world (when already involved in some capacity). I have seen countless other posts from you saying how “easy” the CFA and essentially, yes, bashing it. Either way, I think we’re on the same page now.
okay here is my answer…I have been a charterholder since 2014 and a member of nyssa only because my fund pays the dues.
Yes, it did take hundreds of hours to pass each level of the cfa exam. It was “tough” not because of the difficulty of the material but because the sheer volume of the material. Again, the material was not difficult to learn. And again, the pass rates are ~40% so you just need to perform slightly better off than the middle of the pack…
let me ask you this - the post i wrote to the OP was all fact so not sure where you think i bashed
2015 Toyota Prius is slow and underpowered - has a 121hp engine - therefore an M4 would beat it in a drag race. This is fact…but to you this is bashing Prius? lol
Bro why are you going on a CFA forum and throwing shade at the cfa?