maratikus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > comp_sci_kid Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > getting 700+ on GMAT is as hard as passing all > 3 > > levels. If you put as many hours in studying > for > > GMAT i am sure you will be in 750+ land > > I think a lot depends on the background. I didn’t > have to study for the GMAT but I did have to study > quite a bit for the CFA exams. i guess, although coming from solid math background i scored only in 78% percentile, so a lot depends on practice.
brother bilo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > “I’m a bad standardized test taker” = “I’m not > smart”. Smart is as smart does. I’m an atrocious test taker–frankly, I was an atrocious student. But I’d say I’m more successful at age 25 than virtually anyone else I know and certainly more (financially) successful than the vast majority of persons going to business school, including Harvard or Stanford. You have to ask yourself this question–if a guy getting a 750 on the GMAT is so smart, why is he applying for business school to get a leg up?
volante99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > brother bilo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > “I’m a bad standardized test taker” = “I’m not > > smart”. > > Well, I suppose in a certain sense, that’s > actually true. Case in point, my girlfriend scored > a 33 on her ACT, while I scored a 25 (that’s cold, > zero prep, didn’t even know what ACT stood for > mind you). She can dominate me when it comes to > answering questions like “what is a if > a-b+z-y=-h+zx12”, and just being around her, I can > tell, from a raw intelligence standpoint, she is > “smarter” than me…but I can still run rings > around her when it comes to Jeopardy. > > There are different kinds of “smarts” I suppose. I agree. Just to name a few: Visual-spatial Verbal-linguistic Logical-mathematical Bodily-kinesthetic Musical-rhythmic Interpersonal Intrapersonal Naturalistic Existential
kkent Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Smart is as smart does. I’m an atrocious test > taker–frankly, I was an atrocious student. But > I’d say I’m more successful at age 25 than > virtually anyone else I know and certainly more > (financially) successful than the vast majority of > persons going to business school, including > Harvard or Stanford. > > You have to ask yourself this question–if a guy > getting a 750 on the GMAT is so smart, why is he > applying for business school to get a leg up? Dude, you’re a failure. You worked for the government pushing paper somewhere - You got a 2.5 GPA at state school - You Passed L1 and quit because (in your own words) you’re too stupid to work in finance anyway. I have one question for you: If you’re too stupid to work in finance, what the hell are you doing polluting this otherwise intelligent board with your stupidity ? Making money as a real-estate agent does not make you smart.
now mo34, don’t bottle it up, let it all out…
mo34 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kkent Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > Smart is as smart does. I’m an atrocious test > > taker–frankly, I was an atrocious student. But > > I’d say I’m more successful at age 25 than > > virtually anyone else I know and certainly more > > (financially) successful than the vast majority > of > > persons going to business school, including > > Harvard or Stanford. > > > > You have to ask yourself this question–if a > guy > > getting a 750 on the GMAT is so smart, why is > he > > applying for business school to get a leg up? > > > Dude, you’re a failure. You worked for the > government pushing paper somewhere - You got a 2.5 > GPA at state school - You Passed L1 and quit > because (in your own words) you’re too stupid to > work in finance anyway. > > I have one question for you: If you’re too stupid > to work in finance, what the hell are you doing > polluting this otherwise intelligent board with > your stupidity ? Making money as a real-estate > agent does not make you smart. lol wow. kkent - don’t try to act like you are intelligent, because you’re not. Unfortunately, there are dumb people that get lucky in this world and it looks like you are one of them. And lets be clear, that doesn’t make you “successful”.
volante99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’m of the opinion that you can’t really STUDY > your way to a 700. Sure, you can take a few > classes, learn some tricks, and go over some > practice questions and improve your score a > little, but the majority of people just wont get a > 700 no matter how much they prep, and some people > will get 750 without any prep at all. That’s the > nature of the GMAT, unlike the CFA. this.
volante99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > brother bilo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > “I’m a bad standardized test taker” = “I’m not > > smart”. > > Well, I suppose in a certain sense, that’s > actually true. Case in point, my girlfriend scored > a 33 on her ACT, while I scored a 25 (that’s cold, > zero prep, didn’t even know what ACT stood for > mind you). She can dominate me when it comes to > answering questions like “what is a if > a-b+z-y=-h+zx12”, and just being around her, I can > tell, from a raw intelligence standpoint, she is > “smarter” than me…but I can still run rings > around her when it comes to Jeopardy. > > There are different kinds of “smarts” I suppose. I won’t disagree with that. In my mind, “smarts” are defined by general problem solving ability. But I’ll agree that the concept can be subjective.
newsuper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > now mo34, don’t bottle it up, let it all out… Seriously enough is enough. This guy pops out every now and then to give advise on how to pass the CFA exams even though he could not do it. He gives advise on how to pass the GMAT even though he would probably score a solid 550. He bashes Obama even though he and his parents lived off the government handouts for all his life. And now he considers his miserable life as a RE agent a success story.
thread from gmatclub regarding 700 gmat scores. in my opinion, if you come from an overrepresented demographic, 700 may not be good enough for top schools. http://gmatclub.com/forum/adcom-feedback-re-gmat-94179.html
slave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > thread from gmatclub regarding 700 gmat scores. > in my opinion, if you come from an overrepresented > demographic, 700 may not be good enough for top > schools. > > http://gmatclub.com/forum/adcom-feedback-re-gmat-9 > 4179.html Funny how that guy never mentions work experience. It’s probably a much more likely case that people with no experience get pissed because their 700 doesn’t make them a compelling enough candidate even though they’ve done nothing professional worth noting. There’s also little excuse for a 74%ile in quant for someone that supposedly has a CFA/CPA background.
eganalyst Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > slave Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > thread from gmatclub regarding 700 gmat scores. > > > in my opinion, if you come from an > overrepresented > > demographic, 700 may not be good enough for top > > schools. > > > > > http://gmatclub.com/forum/adcom-feedback-re-gmat-9 > > > 4179.html > > > Funny how that guy never mentions work experience. > It’s probably a much more likely case that people > with no experience get pissed because their 700 > doesn’t make them a compelling enough candidate > even though they’ve done nothing professional > worth noting. > > There’s also little excuse for a 74%ile in quant > for someone that supposedly has a CFA/CPA > background. I disagree. Math in the GMAT is MUCH different than math in CFA. Can’t say for the CPA because i’ve never looked at it.
slave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > thread from gmatclub regarding 700 gmat scores. > in my opinion, if you come from an overrepresented > demographic, 700 may not be good enough for top > schools. > > http://gmatclub.com/forum/adcom-feedback-re-gmat-9 > 4179.html There are plenty of plenty turned away from the top schools with 750+ GMATs, 3.8+ GPA, and 5+ yrs of solid work ex just for that reason. It’s amazing how competitive MBA programs have become over the last decade. If you happen to be an African-American Eskimo I think the admittance standards will fall quite a bit.
What scares me is that MBA programs have become increasingly competitive to get into, yet the post-MBA job opportunities seem to be getting progressively worse. I believe the GMAT can be studied for but I don’t believe that everyone can get a 700. If a 700 was a cake walk, you wouldn’t need to be 92nd percentile to get it. Good luck to everyone studying for the GMAT - I absolutely hated it and thank god that I will never have to study for that test again. (Caveat: I was coming off two years of CFA study, so I think I was suffering from test burnout) Another non sequitor comment: I’ve met quite a few top 5 MBA admits (HBS, Wharton, Booth, Kellogg, and Sloan mainly) in the past fewm months and almost none of them has left me impressed. In fact, I’m quite disappointed with the quality of my future classmates. On the bright side, maybe this will allow me to get the job I covet. Nonetheless, it’s disconcerting that the ‘best and the brightest’ don’t seem to be much of either.
^ I agree with that point, however, I disagree with your earlier comment on attaining the 700. I know someone who went from 390 to 700. Took him 4 times to do it. The GMAT is an exam with certain topics, rules, and shortcuts. Anyone can learn them and spit them back out on exam day. The difference is that the time it takes to learn these rules and shortcuts is different for all.
I have always been blessed by being a ‘good test taker’ … then I got to the GMAT. In high school I got a 1490 on SAT with no prep (i went to a ghetto school where 80% of students were ESL). I attribute this to being a very logical person and being fresh out of the general math topics that the exam covers. Now I’m 6 years out of any schooling and cannot even imaging cracking 700 unless I put in a lot of work. The quant stuff is so above my head (esp. the sufficiency whatever ?'s) that i don’t even know where I’d start. I have only taken one of those free exams on the official site and i quit before finishing- was crushing the non quant questions but was so lost on the rest. It was a true ego busting experience, pretty depressing when you cannot even reason though enough to eliminate some of the choices 
hopefully i will get over my bruised ego and hit the books but I don’t know how helpful that would be. I passed CFA with little, but efficient, study. Passed level 3 only reading half the notes and none of the text. I did attend and take notes @ weekly classes though. Perhaps my best bet would be to take a class for GMAT too.
^ you sound like a smart guy and a good test taker. I’m pretty sure once you study a bit of the math and verbal rules, you will get a great score. It’s about knowing the material, but then using shortcuts and doing enough practice problems to get a good feel for it and do them quickly. It’s not rocket science. The exam can be studied and defeated.
^ She’s a woman, not a guy.
DirtyZ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Another non sequitor comment: I’ve met quite a > few top 5 MBA admits (HBS, Wharton, Booth, > Kellogg, and Sloan mainly) in the past fewm months > and almost none of them has left me impressed. In > fact, I’m quite disappointed with the quality of > my future classmates. On the bright side, maybe > this will allow me to get the job I covet. > Nonetheless, it’s disconcerting that the ‘best and > the brightest’ don’t seem to be much of either. +100000 I’ve met kids from Vandy, Harvard, Princton, Yale etc. All are clearly smart kids, most lacking personality or a clear intellectual edge. Also, most of their parents went to the school they now attend, so I’m sure that helps. Honestly, the most impressive kids are from Wharton. This is Ugrad mind you.
sorry akanska - you’re a smart woman. 