I may be wrong, but I don’t think that’s right. On the next page (221) it says that eliminating misfit risk is sub-optimal. This doesn’t make sense with the above as eliminating misfit risk (and return) would create a fairer information ratio.
No, I don’t think that’s right. You’re not comparing like with like in that case. Bob has taken a higher level of risk (investing in small caps) and therefore should be compared against a high risk index (small-cap index) instead of the general US market (which is lower risk).
As an investor (not as Bob/asset manager), no. You can’t just say “oh if I knew you’d be investing in smallcaps, I’d have set the benchmark as smallcaps”. That would violate a key principle of benchmark setting: it has to be set in advance. The manager’s skill is in identifying that this high-risk asset will outperform this year, and taking that risk.
Note there’s a very relevant distiction between Bob’s benchmark and yours as the investor. I’m talking about the investor benchmark here.
I disagree with a lot of things mentioned here.
First of all, picking a style (and it’s benchmark) is not “skill” from the manager. And usually, the mandate is clearly specified in this matter. Now beating your benchmark is the skill level that you would be measured against. Even if you underperform the market.
In short, beating the market means nothing. Beating the benchmark, is the true active return (and risk), which is how you decide if this is a good manager or not.
I disagree with a lot of things mentioned here.
First of all, picking a style (and it’s benchmark) is not “skill” from the manager. And usually, the mandate is clearly specified in this matter. Now beating your benchmark is the skill level that you would be measured against. Even if you underperform the market.
In short, beating the market means nothing. Beating the benchmark, is the true active return (and risk), which is how you decide if this is a good manager or not.
I agree with this!
ayousaf: wecfanow:This is actually an important point. There’s several reasons. First of all, remember that a benchmark is specified in advance. Therefore when you’re analysing performance, you’re analysing it against the set benchmark. Scenario:
Bob invests in the market on your behalf. Your default benchmark for Bob is Total US Market. He does analysis, and decides smallcaps are the way to go this year, and buys a bunch of stocks, all smallcaps. Returns come out like this:
US Market: 10%
US smallCap: 15%
Bob: 16%
What’s the result here? Well, Bob outperformed your benchmark (Total US Market) by 6%.
“Wait, he only bought small-caps, shouldn’t he be measured against the smallcap index? In that case, didn’t he only beat it by 1%?” No. Remember, benchmark is specified in advance. His analysis showed smallcaps will outperform, so he bought them. He should be rewarded for that. Bob’s benchmark may be smallcaps, but the investor never put any such restriction. Investor just said, “go beat the US Market for me”. Bob did.
No, I don’t think that’s right. You’re not comparing like with like in that case. Bob has taken a higher level of risk (investing in small caps) and therefore should be compared against a high risk index (small-cap index) instead of the general US market (which is lower risk).
As an investor (not as Bob/asset manager), no. You can’t just say “oh if I knew you’d be investing in smallcaps, I’d have set the benchmark as smallcaps”. That would violate a key principle of benchmark setting: it has to be set in advance. The manager’s skill is in identifying that this high-risk asset will outperform this year, and taking that risk.
Note there’s a very relevant distiction between Bob’s benchmark and yours as the investor. I’m talking about the investor benchmark here.
In that case, I want my benchmark to be the risk free rate
wecfanow: ayousaf: wecfanow:This is actually an important point. There’s several reasons. First of all, remember that a benchmark is specified in advance. Therefore when you’re analysing performance, you’re analysing it against the set benchmark. Scenario:
Bob invests in the market on your behalf. Your default benchmark for Bob is Total US Market. He does analysis, and decides smallcaps are the way to go this year, and buys a bunch of stocks, all smallcaps. Returns come out like this:
US Market: 10%
US smallCap: 15%
Bob: 16%
What’s the result here? Well, Bob outperformed your benchmark (Total US Market) by 6%.
“Wait, he only bought small-caps, shouldn’t he be measured against the smallcap index? In that case, didn’t he only beat it by 1%?” No. Remember, benchmark is specified in advance. His analysis showed smallcaps will outperform, so he bought them. He should be rewarded for that. Bob’s benchmark may be smallcaps, but the investor never put any such restriction. Investor just said, “go beat the US Market for me”. Bob did.
No, I don’t think that’s right. You’re not comparing like with like in that case. Bob has taken a higher level of risk (investing in small caps) and therefore should be compared against a high risk index (small-cap index) instead of the general US market (which is lower risk).
As an investor (not as Bob/asset manager), no. You can’t just say “oh if I knew you’d be investing in smallcaps, I’d have set the benchmark as smallcaps”. That would violate a key principle of benchmark setting: it has to be set in advance. The manager’s skill is in identifying that this high-risk asset will outperform this year, and taking that risk.
Note there’s a very relevant distiction between Bob’s benchmark and yours as the investor. I’m talking about the investor benchmark here.
In that case, I want my benchmark to be the risk free rate
I don’t think any style analysis will validate that type of benchmark