Mueller impanels grand jury

[igor555]

i liked the first edit better

[igor555]

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[frisian]

@Black_Swan

These after the fact op eds are like that kid that loses a fight then walks around later telling all his friends its only because he’s bound not to use lethal force by an honor code to his Sensei.

You should read the Mueller Report. The link is a few posts above yours.

[Black_Swan]

@igor555

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I prefered the first edit.

[Black_Swan]

@frisian

@Black_Swan

These after the fact op eds are like that kid that loses a fight then walks around later telling all his friends its only because he’s bound not to use lethal force by an honor code to his Sensei.

You should read the Mueller Report. The link is a few posts above yours.

I have, fortunately I’m not burdened by the deep seated voter and party bias or the need to feign outrage. No collusion was found. So now people are falling back on obstruction (with charges not raised), which if you’re not vested with an interest in either party’s agenda is a big nothing burger in the scheme of things. Libs gonna lib.

[hpracing007]

I posted this in the MAGA thread but haven’t seen it mentioned here yet (no need to thank me!)

From the President of the United States of America himself:

“If I’m guilty of anything, it’s that I’ve been a great president, and the Democrats don’t like it."

[frisian]

@Black_Swan

I have, fortunately I’m not burdened by the deep seated voter and party bias or the need to feign outrage. No collusion was found. So now people are falling back on obstruction (with charges not raised), which if you’re not vested with an interest in either party’s agenda is a big nothing burger in the scheme of things. Libs gonna lib.

Is the behavior of Donald Trump as described in the Mueller Report acceptable behavior for a president of the United States?

Yes or no.

I think his behavior would not be acceptable for the president of a homeowners association. It would certainly not be acceptable for a manager in any (reputable) company that any of us work for. As an American citizen, I’m very worried about the long-term damage to our institutions and democracy.

You are free to disagree.

[Black_Swan]

@frisian

@Black_Swan

I have, fortunately I’m not burdened by the deep seated voter and party bias or the need to feign outrage. No collusion was found. So now people are falling back on obstruction (with charges not raised), which if you’re not vested with an interest in either party’s agenda is a big nothing burger in the scheme of things. Libs gonna lib.

Is the behavior of Donald Trump as described in the Mueller Report acceptable behavior for a president of the United States?

Yes or no.

I think his behavior would not be acceptable for the president of a homeowners association. It would certainly not be acceptable for a manager in any (reputable) company that any of us work for. As an American citizen, I’m very worried about the long-term damage to our institutions and democracy.

You are free to disagree.

I mean sure, in that I don’t think its that far from what happens with most presidencies to anybody even mildly educated. I think people outraged are just so incredibly naive it’s dumbfounding. The reality is we have a bunch of pillow princess that after decades of truly horrific US policy and mass drone strikes with a hear no evil see no evil mentality are getting their panties in a bunch because the president says the wrong things in their PC bubble.

[GorillaNerd]

I agree with bs in terms of bias. But trump is still a terrible leader, since he just makes the division worse instead of inspiring everyone to do better. Obama is no different, he didn’t unite everyone either. But Obama just has more class and has fewer conflicts of interest. Trump routinely seeks out how to aggrandize himself, his family, and his constituents unabashedly. Anyways imo it’s just the sign of the times. Hopefully 1 day we can unite everyone again.

[Black_Swan]

I don’t disagree he does all those things, but people getting excessively butt hurt about it are missing the broader picture. Sure he did these things, sure Clinton me too’d a chick in the oval office and lived to see another term. Bush started ridiculous wars. Obama oversaw a doubling of federal debt and drove a lot of these wedges between the parties, relying on executive orders. People just hate that with Trump they’re getting a better look in the mirror.

[GorillaNerd]

obama boosted govt spending when private spending went down. imo he did the right thing. govt is suppose to provide safety when shit goes south, since the instability is what will destroy a nation. our country should be using times like this to strengthen the govt fiscal situation. either by cutting government subsidies or raising taxes. these deficits is more of a function of too many benefits for social secuirty and medicare. it will only get worse as time goes on unless a great person is cut those programs or at least limit its growth.

[Black_Swan]

@Nerdyblop

obama boosted govt spending when private spending went down. imo he did the right thing. govt is suppose to provide safety when shit goes south, since the instability is what will destroy a nation. our country should be using times like this to strengthen the govt fiscal situation. either by cutting government subsidies or raising taxes. these deficits is more of a function of too many benefits for social secuirty and medicare. it will only get worse as time goes on unless a great person is cut those programs or at least limit its growth.

He did, during the first four years, doesn’t really explain the ongoing rise in entitlement spending the next four. It also doesn’t account for the sheer magnitude. There’s stimulus, and then there’s panicking and doubling the nation’s debt by $9T with infrastructure none the better. Again, the libtards struggle with the fact that I’m not defending Trump’s policies as good, but they’re not substantially worse than what we’ve had if you tune out the noise.

[frisian]

Mueller letter to Barr, dated Wednesday, March 27, three days after the Barr Letter.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/mueller-letter-to-barr/index.html

[igor555]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/06/politics/justice-department-trump-mueller-protect-democracy/index.html

[LBriscoe]

@Black_Swan

@Nerdyblop

obama boosted govt spending when private spending went down. imo he did the right thing. govt is suppose to provide safety when shit goes south, since the instability is what will destroy a nation. our country should be using times like this to strengthen the govt fiscal situation. either by cutting government subsidies or raising taxes. these deficits is more of a function of too many benefits for social secuirty and medicare. it will only get worse as time goes on unless a great person is cut those programs or at least limit its growth.

He did, during the first four years, doesn’t really explain the ongoing rise in entitlement spending the next four. It also doesn’t account for the sheer magnitude. There’s stimulus, and then there’s panicking and doubling the nation’s debt by $9T with infrastructure none the better. Again, the libtards struggle with the fact that I’m not defending Trump’s policies as good, but they’re not substantially worse than what we’ve had if you tune out the noise.

Substantially worse? Politics aside, Obama ran up equivalent deficits during a financial crises as Trump is doing now with 3% unemployment. Of course none of this matters in Trump world.

[frisian]

Bank CEO Stephen M. Calk Charged With Corruptly Soliciting A Presidential Administration Position In Exchange For Approving $16 Million In Loans

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6024458/5-23-19-US-v-Calk-Indictment.pdf

[Black_Swan]

@LBriscoe

@Black_Swan

@Nerdyblop

obama boosted govt spending when private spending went down. imo he did the right thing. govt is suppose to provide safety when shit goes south, since the instability is what will destroy a nation. our country should be using times like this to strengthen the govt fiscal situation. either by cutting government subsidies or raising taxes. these deficits is more of a function of too many benefits for social secuirty and medicare. it will only get worse as time goes on unless a great person is cut those programs or at least limit its growth.

He did, during the first four years, doesn’t really explain the ongoing rise in entitlement spending the next four. It also doesn’t account for the sheer magnitude. There’s stimulus, and then there’s panicking and doubling the nation’s debt by $9T with infrastructure none the better. Again, the libtards struggle with the fact that I’m not defending Trump’s policies as good, but they’re not substantially worse than what we’ve had if you tune out the noise.

Substantially worse? Politics aside, Obama ran up equivalent deficits during a financial crises as Trump is doing now with 3% unemployment. Of course none of this matters in Trump world.

No he didn’t. It must feel good to say things without bothering to check. Deficit hit 10% levels through 2009 and never recovered to today’s levels until 2013, long after the crisis. During that time, US federal debt to GDP rose from 65% to 14%, roughly where it remains today. Federal Debt to GDP in 2016? 104%. Today? 104%.

Do I like Trump’s fiscal policies (tax cut), no, I’ve been very vocal about wishing we had that one back. But saying it’s the same is patently false. Typical Libs.

[Black_Swan]

[igor555]

“If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” - Robert Mueller

[Black_Swan]

“And Bob Mueller, I guess you could say, he wasn’t a friend of mine, but he did something that was really the right thing to do. They were very disappointed. They can’t get over the fact that I never spoke to Russia, never dealt with Russia, having to do with the subject we’re talking about.”