bchadwick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So insurance companies are raising rates 30% > today, in order to offset expenses that start to > hit in 2012 and beyond? Sounds more like “here’s > an excuse to raise rates and blame it on someone > else.” > Rates skyrocketed upwards. Companies have to pay, and individuals have to pay. That takes money away from hiring or consumption. plain and simple. it’s a job killer. thanks obama. Oil companies do the same thing. As soon as oil shoots up, they raise gas prices. But wait, the gas selling now was bought and refined with oil was cheap. oh well too bad. take it. greed is very much alive.
iteracom Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bchadwick Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > So insurance companies are raising rates 30% > > today, in order to offset expenses that start > to > > hit in 2012 and beyond? Sounds more like > “here’s > > an excuse to raise rates and blame it on > someone > > else.” > > > > Rates skyrocketed upwards. Companies have to pay, > and individuals have to pay. That takes money away > from hiring or consumption. plain and simple. it’s > a job killer. thanks obama. > > Oil companies do the same thing. As soon as oil > shoots up, they raise gas prices. But wait, the > gas selling now was bought and refined with oil > was cheap. oh well too bad. take it. > > greed is very much alive. Shouldn’t there be some oversight for these rate hikes? We are letting an oligopoly get away with price gouging.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Shouldn’t there be some oversight for these rate > hikes? We are letting an oligopoly get away with > price gouging. By all means, feel free to form a committee. If regulation has taught us anything it’s that it drives cost down.
Price control has its good intention, but the market force will bring many unintented consequences. You control the rate insurance companies charges the insured, the availability of policies could and would shirnk… See this excerpt from Wikipedia on Jimmy Carter and the Oil Crisis… “…This sparked the 1973 Oil Crisis and forced oil prices to rise sharply, spurring price inflation throughout the economy and slowing growth. The US government imposed price controls on gasoline and oil following the announcement, which had the effect of causing shortages and long lines for gasoline.[16][17] The lines were quelled through the lifting of price controls on gasoline, although oil controls remained until Reagan’s presidency…”
Rates increased in California, but that was completely unrelated to HCR. That the companies timed it with the passing of HCR was quite convenient for them. I’ve heard quite a bit about rates “skyrocketing” from people on the internet, but nary a whisper outside of that. My company’s rates certainly haven’t changed. Lesson: Spend less time arguing politics on the internet.
^ My cousin self employed got a call from Blue Cross. they said “due to the healthcare bill, and no other reason, your premiums are going up 38%. sorry.” And now he can’t hire more workers because costs are too high. it doesn’t get more clear than that.
iteracom Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ^ My cousin self employed got a call from Blue > Cross. they said “due to the healthcare bill, and > no other reason, your premiums are going up 38%. > sorry.” > > And now he can’t hire more workers because costs > are too high. > > it doesn’t get more clear than that. You buy that BS from blue cross?
Well my cousin got a call from BS saying his rates are going down 38% because of the health care bill. Aren’t false anecdotes fun? Seriously though, my cousin, who has had a bad allergy since childhood, can now get health care coverage. Previously this allergy qualified as a pre-existing condition under which everyone would deny him.
I raised my rates because of the health care bill too!
Yeah, I drove through Mickey Dees yesterday and they told me that they had to raise the price of the the Fish Fillet Sandwich because of the healthcare bill.
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah, I drove through Mickey Dees yesterday and > they told me that they had to raise the price of > the the Fish Fillet Sandwich because of the > healthcare bill. they’re obviously uninformed - its because of the ‘fat-tax’
B.O. is going to extend 13 months of umployment benefit for those people, some of whom (not all of them) are: - too lazy to look for jobs, - don’t have the skills for a job they desire, - are too proud of themselves to take a “over qualified” jobs, or - last of all, are too busy making 5 or even more babies to seriously look for a job. Isn’t B.O. just kicking the can down the street?
I doubt it will pass through the house and senate. 99 weeks is a really long time collecting free govt money.
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > B.O. is going to extend 13 months of umployment > benefit for those people, some of whom (not all of > them) are: > > - too lazy to look for jobs, > - don’t have the skills for a job they desire, > - are too proud of themselves to take a “over > qualified” jobs, or > - last of all, are too busy making 5 or even more > babies to seriously look for a job. > > Isn’t B.O. just kicking the can down the street? Better than kicking 2 million people on the streets. Its a very cold winter out there and the homeless shelters are full.
iteracom Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I doubt it will pass through the house and senate. > > > 99 weeks is a really long time collecting free > govt money. Do you realize that not all the people whose benefits are being extended have been unemployed for 99 weeks?
marcus phoenix Wrote: > Better than kicking 2 million people on the > streets. Its a very cold winter out there and the > homeless shelters are full. To a large degree, nobody but those people themselves put them into such a situation. When you are only 30 years old and have 5 kids already, what’s the likelihood of you having acquired some advanced or mission critical skills to make yourself layoff proof. How likely can you devote a good amount of time and effort to your job to make your employer value your effort and contribution? How much financial cushion have you accumulated for, if noboby else, your kids?
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > marcus phoenix Wrote: > > > Better than kicking 2 million people on the > > streets. Its a very cold winter out there and > the > > homeless shelters are full. > > To a large degree, nobody but those people > themselves put them into such a situation. When > you have are only 30 years old and have 5 kids > already, what’s the likelihood of you having > acquired some advanced or mission critical skills > to make yourself layoff proof. How likely can you > devote a good amount of time and effort to your > job to make your employer value your effort and > contribution? How much financial cushion have you > accumulated for, if noboby else, your kids? I see, all of those 2 million people are 30 year old, with 5 kids and no good skills. Thanks for that info, makes perfect sense now.
^^ Ha! your arguements are sneaky, but tough to be fair. So Marcus, you genuinely think it’s ok to give that 30 yr old mother of 5 13 more months of your tax money?
AlphaSeeker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ^^ > > Ha! your arguements are sneaky, but tough to be > fair. > > So Marcus, you genuinely think it’s ok to give > that 30 yr old mother of 5 13 more months of your > tax money? I don’t care much for the mother, but what do you propose we do with those 5 kids which will not end up costing the taxpayers same if not more?
marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > AlphaSeeker Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > I don’t care much for the mother, but what do you > propose we do with those 5 kids which will not end > up costing the taxpayers same if not more? they can live with their neighbor’s 5 kids. or they can live with a relative or just live out on the streets, which is probably where they were even when their mom had a home. people can be amazingly resilient when given the chance.