50+ dead, 400+ injured in Vegas mass shooting

They are not legal.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16412910/automatic-guns-las-vegas-shooting

Out of curiosity - has anybody here ever fired a fully automatic weapon?

I have fired several while in the Marine Corps. And let me tell you–it is a whole heckuvalot of fun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240_machine_gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_light_machine_gun

Well in that case, as long as it’s fun.

UMP 45, M4A1, M60, and Mk19. They are indeed a heck of a lot of fun.

^Yeah, I fired the Mk19 too, but I specifically excluded it from the list because it’s different from the others.

I had to look up the UMP45.

Where did you get your hands on those?

I sleep with one eye open and my finger on the trigger, im terrified

I don’t follow gun control in the US closely but if guns are a must for self-defense, why can’t only pistols be used? Why do you need a military weapon?

The American people deserve diverse consumer choice in deciding how to execute other people in self defense.

Stop with those logical comments. We need military style weapons to fight our tyrannical govt when the govt decides to wage war on the people. MAGA! And we need military style weapons to ward off multiple intruders. A hand gun just won’t cut it.

Agreed everything listed above is fun to play with.

Don’t see why you would need to own the loadout from your Battlefield 4 profile though. Ike was right, M.I.C.

Different, but so gratifying.

M60 at a demo when I was like 12. Pretty sure I still have a few of the shell casings stashed somewhere at my parents’ house.

Mk19 and M4 in Fallujah. I was just a corpsman, but you know… desperate times.

UMP 45 in SWAT tryouts.

i am a mac 10 kind of guy. prr prr all angles.

but honestly i never fired a fully automatic weapon, just a pistol. i saw narcos though, and how poison killed the federalis was awesome.

^FBI or LE?

Is the FBI not considered LE?

Municipality.

This is the correct answer, for real.

Well, for one, these things are fun to play with. And yes–there are a lot of people who get a great amount of enjoyment out of shooting military-grade weapons at cardboard targets.

Two–just because it’s excessive doesn’t mean that it should be forbidden. Heck, if that was the case, just about every luxury car, watch, pen, and bottle of wine should be illegal to own. (Granted, I know these things can’t be fired from the 32nd floor. So there is a difference.).

Three - guns are like drugs and alcohol in the 20s. Just because they’re illegal doesn’t mean that they won’t exist. You’ll just increase crime (from people smuggling guns into the US) and only criminals will have them.

Again, you guys seem to act like everybody who owns a gun is a crazed, wide-eyed lunatic waving the Stars and Bars in one hand and a Keystone Light in the other. Every single gun owner I personally know is quite a normal human being.

In fact, you might be surprised. The former treasurer at my church is the quietest, meekest, humblest person I know. He served as children’s minister in the nursery for 40’years. He had a job with the state as a geologist. Drove a 20-year old Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. And when he died, six months ago, his wife asked someone I know to help her sell his gun collection. Turns out he had a closet in his house turned into a gun safe, where he had about 12 different pistols and about 60 different rifles, almost all of them “military-grade”. And some of them were fully automatic.

#AccidentalShootingDeathStats

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Guns in the home increase risk** :** Rather than being used for self-defense, guns in the home are 22 times more likely to be involved in accidental shootings, homicides, or suicide attempts. For every one time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

More Guns = More Accidental Shootings** :** People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun ownership levels had 9 times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun ownership levels. A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.

Deaths: From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings. More than a third of the victims were under 25 years of age. In 2010, unintentional firearm shootings caused the deaths of 606 people.

Youth and Accidental Shootings: Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age. For kids ages 5 to 14, the mortality rate is 14 times higher in high gun ownership states than low gun ownership states. For infants and toddlers, ages 0 to 4, the mortality rate is 17 times higher in high gun ownership states than low gun ownership states. The majority of people killed in firearm accidents are under age 24, and most of these young people are being shot by someone else, usually someone their own age. The shooter is typically a friend or family member, often an older brother.

Safe Storage of Firearms** :** Thirty-three percent of U.S. households contain a gunvii, and half of gun-owning households don’t lock up their guns, including 40 percent of households with kids under age 18.viii o Both firearm prevalence and questionable storage practices (i.e. storing firearms loaded and unlocked) are associated with higher rates of unintentional firearm deaths.

I know tons of responsible gun owners, so what? It is simple: either access to weapons as available in current law is worth a mass shooting every now and then or it is not. That is the only decision.

@Hastag - let me get this straight. In states where there are a lot of guns, there are a lot of gun accidents. And where there are not a lot of guns, there are not a lot of gun accidents.

Are you Edupristine? You should be Edupristine. With all thatConfucius-type wisdom.