When the schools jacked up their tuition so high, they had to lower their standards to keep up enrollment.
The only takeaway from this thread that is important is that you should not listen to dickheads telling you that you need a 750 to get in anywhere towards the top. It’s just not true. Unless you are a boring soulless automaton.
To be fair, you’re not exactly a standard candidate. You have a degree from a top school and experience running a business in an emerging market, which would easily make you stand out from “I did IB for 2 years…”
Right, I guess the questions is the standard “Why would CT want to do an MBA?” My hunch is it is just because we wants to go back to college.
For some reason, I thought CT was Indian, not white.
Several things. Firstly, I hope that wasn’t directed at me because I’ve clearly stated several times that it takes much more than GMAT scores or whatever to get into a top MBA and that people often overweight the quantifiable portions of the application. CT, I have never implied that your international experience would be anything less than great for MBA applications. That being said, your notion of “Top MBA” has been pretty vague, so I’d be interested in seeing if it’s in the top 5 or even 10 that spunboy posted. If it’s not, then I’ve lost a singificant amount of interest.
Would be interested in hearing what a “top MBA program” is. I agree grades aren’t everything my undergrad grades weren’t anything special but I also scored in the high 90 % in my GREs in Math, took 10 courses in math and cs after I graduated, and had recomendations from top portfolio managers. So yes intangibles of course will seperate you. But I seriously doubt you got into any of those top 10 US News schools posted earlier. There is no way. So to quote either ohai or iteracom (can’t remember) you are wasting your time.
No worry not Black Swan, I’m not calling you out. I’m just pointing out that you do not need to be 750 to do ok in this process like you are. I wish I had your gmats. I did ok anyway.
i just want people who are thinking about an MBA but don’t think they can get a 700+ to still go for it., you still might have a great shot depending on your background.
The school in question is European, so not on the Us news list. I haven’t applied to a single American school.
It is interesting to note how hesitant you are to give the name of the school.
Ok, my real answer (And this is speaking broadly about MBA admissions, not directed at anyone)
Anyone who is close to MBA admissions these days has noticed quite a dramatic shift away from pure hardcore US finance applicants (like IB) and towards any type of international/emerging countries experience. Even if your internatnoal job was dumb as sh*t, if you write it very convincingly (BTW, this also helps making your essays stand out) the admissions people don’t really have any clue what you actually did, and it’s even harder to verify.
The US financial sector sucks, layoffs all the time, contracting industry, more govt regs, less profitability. Why the heck would schools admit a lot of these pure domestic finance candidates when their chances of failure are quite high? It’ll hurt their post-grad stats, it’ll hurt their chance of making future leaders, and hurt future $$ donations to the school.
The “future biz leaders” have a greater chance in Emerging region. So, go ahead and bullsh*t in your applications how you went to ____ country to help build/develop _____ even though the real reason was because you couldn’t land that dream job and had to go abroad. Then write about how after your MBA, you’ll go back and _____ and change the lives of ____ or start a business in the ____ underdeveloped sector.
I have personally seen people get away with this. One girl had: 690 gmat, TERRIBLE GPA of 2.7 from a top 5 undergrad biz school, no special extra curriculars, had to go to some dinky south american country, made up a ton of BS, and got into Wharton MBA.
Another person I know went to China, didn’t do sh*t, and worked in some relative’s biz don’t menial labor, made up a bunch of crap… got into NYU Stern.
I’ve heard friends from China speak about consultants in China that will practically guarantee (China based students) into a top US/UK MBA school for a steep fee, they’ll write all your essays, do your interviews, and “come up with your education record and achievements”, all you have to do is get a good GMAT score and pay out big bucks to them.
hold me.
And you’re the one who continually says “top 3 or use the rusty hacksaw on the family jewels”. Sounds like you’re even doubting the worth of a Top 3 school.
What, then, is the advantage of going to the Top 3?
I nominate that CT apply to a US school as well. I think he’d have a great shot there too. Definitely would have one of the more interesting backgrounds.
There’s definitely an increasing mix of international and emerging markets students but frankly they haven’t been a rarity at the top schools for years. International candidates or people that have had international work experience comprise close to one third of the student body at the top schools. It is a tragedy that there are people that falsify their way to get into these schools but this could happen anywhere. I will say however that there are enough checks and balances in the system where candidates like this seem to be the exception rather than the norm. The other thing is that having international experience is definitely not a golden ticket anywhere and what matters more is your leadership skills and how you demonstrate them in whatever context you’re in, also because so many people have it nowadays. So therefore I feel that too much credit is being given to emerging markets experience on this thread (generally speaking as I don’t know much about CT’s background).
Congrafs tikka. Tear it up for a few years.
Why are you leaving what you’re doing?
Numi, the class mixes has been skewing and it is a significant shift. There’s already been articles written about it over the last year, and just the other day, a friend who currently goes to NYU Stern says the shift is quite dramatic. I wouldn’t downplay say it’s giving too much credit.
I think the emphasis on leadership skills is undeserved, there is no real way MBA admissions can really verify or assess someone’s leadership skills. Those attributes are really only exhibited in the day to day grind of getting things done under stress and with limited resources, how is the MBA admissions process going to assess that?
Congrats Tik. That is inspiring. However, are you indian? (said this JKing, but sorda serious on second thought lol)
Please refer to thread title.
k thx bye
seeing that now
k thnx bye