Buying land for the end of the world

[itera]

^ you are taking one side of the argumentt to the extreme. Obviously someone who has 0 everything is at higher risk. the argument above is mostly about how well prepared is effective enough. After all, 1 lottery ticket has “much better” odds than 0 tickets.

I do think the motorcycle argument isn’t too bad. When cars are indeed gridlocked, a bike can usually make it’s way through.

[McLeod81]

A dirt bike would be the perfect vehicle if you can travel light. You could go anywhere and they dont use a ton of gas. You dont need to bring a ton of sh1t with u right away besides an AR or AK with a bunch of ammo. There would be plenty of stuff to scavange if you are mobile.

It would help to have a huge ammo stockpile somewhere though. Its hard to find any ammo now…

[bodhisattva]

@Black_Swan

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@bodhisattva

I’ve heard that arguement before and it didn’t play out too well for the guy making it.

Somebody should call the Navy Seals and let them know Chuck Norris here thinks they’re doing it all wrong. LMAO. Lamest thing I’ve heard all week.

I’m just speaking from experience here, I used to counsell this native kid who grew up hunting and trapping in the Yukon and like you thought he was hard as fuck because he could kill a deer from 400 yards. October 2011 they found him in an alley cut up with his pinky fingers missing. Those are the types of animals you’re going to be dealing with and if you think your mountain climbing gear and your navy seal buddy’s are going to keep you safe, well good luck with that.

Lol, so the fact that he got mugged when he probably wasn’t armed undermines the whole thesis? Haha. Nice tirade though. I have a concealed weapons permit and I (along with my brothers and father) exercise that right. And my Dad started me shooting around the age of 6 (he’d hold the rifle and we’d sight and fire). I wouldn’t be relying on mountain climbing gear or a “navy seal buddy”, in that exact situation any opponent of mine would LITERALLY be bringing a knife to a gun fight. And that my friend is the idea behind being prepared. Your little story has pretty much no basis in making a point. Other than the fact that random people can get mugged by people with superior weapons.

What’s been frustrating me is the weak straw man counter arguments people are trying to bring because they simply want to try to argue without actually having a point.

Being prepared for a situation > Not being prepared for a situation.

no you don’t get it, he was tortured and killed, someone got the drop on him.

It doesn’t matter how prepared or how hardcore you think you are, there are predatory mother fuckers out there that will eat you alive.

Lol, no you don’t get it. I don’t really know what your point is or how you think any of what you just said amounts to logic. So what, he got tortured after someone grabbed him when he was presumably unarmed. It’s obviously clear that either way he wasn’t prepared. You think the guys that got the drop on him are somehow more effective fighters immune to the laws or preparation and combat training because they torture people? How immune was Bin Laden (despite his penchant for terrorism and running Al Quaida who loved cutting people’s heads off) when Seal Team 6 rolled up on him? Serial killers and terrorists are all hard and predatory right up until the FBI kicks the door in. The laws of combat are unchanged. regardless of what someone chooses to do should they get the upper hand. The Japanese thought it was a great idea to practice fanaticism and torture on the battlefield, including cutting the genitals off US soldiers and leaving them in their mouths in early conflicts. Then we dropped two atomic warheads on them.

Firepower >>>> Willingness to Torture

No, you see thats where you are wrong, whether its back country skiing, camping, preparing for an apocolapyse or pullling a tough guy tuesday act on the internet you over intellectualize everything.

For some reason you have deluded yourself into thinking that you can can prepare for and use your analytical skills to essentially hedge the risk inherent in high risk situations. The reality is all you need to do is fuck up once, to get unlucky or for some random unforeseen event to happen and you are done. Whats the probability of that not happening? effectively none. Your screen name is Black Swan, this is something you should be acutely aware of.

The reality is that unless your lack of humility and ego is just an act, it is pretty much guaranted that you will find this out the hard way.

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Your screen name is Black Swan, this is something you should be acutely aware of.

That made me LOL

[Black_Swan]

@bodhisattva

No, you see thats where you are wrong, whether its back country skiing, camping, preparing for an apocolapyse or pullling a tough guy tuesday act on the internet you over intellectualize everything.

For some reason you have deluded yourself into thinking that you can can prepare for and use your analytical skills to essentially hedge the risk inherent in high risk situations. The reality is all you need to do is fuck up once, to get unlucky or for some random unforeseen event to happen and you are done. Whats the probability of that not happening? effectively none. Your screen name is Black Swan, this is something you should be acutely aware of.

The reality is that unless your lack of humility and ego is just an act, it is pretty much guaranted that you will find this out the hard way.

So then what’s your point? That low probability high impact events exist? In what way would you say that changes anything that’s been talked about previously in this discussion? Because it seems to me that you’re not making any consistant point and not even your’e sure what you’re trying to say.

I do think I can hedge risk a great deal. I routinely kayak lethal rapids that would kill an inexperienced boater. But I live, because I’ve hedged the risks through prep and skill, and thought. Does that eliminate risk (which seems to be what you’re confusing this with)? No. But I never claimed it does. Just because you’re not able to completely eliminate risk, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t bother to try to at least mitigate it.

Are you suggesting that having robust prepartions for a low frequency high impact event is a waste (this seems contrary to your point), or that there’s always some risk (your point being ?). I don’t see how your first comment and latest really have any relevent link or impact to the discussion.

[Black_Swan]

@Blake McCallister

Nothing personal Black Swan I enjoy your posts but what you seem to miss is if the world was coming to an end you wouldn’t be going anywhere. In the CA Bay area during rush hour I am not going anywhere. The roads are flooded. I don’t seem to understand how you think you are going to get in your car and take a leisurely ride to your piece of land in the middle of nowhere. It is not going to happen. And whatever gun you seem to think is going to protect you is going to be worthless.

Well for starters, you have a point about SF traffic. But I don’t live there, I live in a much smaller more removed city (pittsburgh). I also have a motorcycle (not a crotch rocket) that I think I could still get through about any gridlock with. A gun in a secluded backcountry location isn’t nearly that bad of a defense since your odds of even being discovered are pretty slim.

[MoreMoneyPleas]

One big stink with preppers is they take years prepping to live six months longer during the apocalypse than the rest of us. When I say preppers, I don’t mean preparing, I mean straight drilling and canning food on the daily type stuff. Buying some land and guns in a precautionary fashion is cool, but prepping for a decade like the peeps on that tv show, just to live an extra five months is stupid. I don’t know if this was mentioned, but the movie and book a The Road is probably the most realistic apocolypse movie ever… a must see

[lockheed10023]

“Grandma carries a can of mace… and she’ll stick a .45 in your face…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocu9N6k6as

[itera]

^ I saw THe Road. Good movie, although no replay value.

In a true apocalyse, you definitely need a sustainable LT solution for food and water, I agree with that. ALthough it there was something like a nuclear holocaust, I’m not sure I want to be the only living thing alive anyway

[lockheed10023]

^“Shampoo… oh so cute… some little fcker who never had soda… and carbonated water sugar…”

[lockheed10023]

^^ Arthur Clarke’s "Childhood’s End’… the last human on earth could have left with the aliens, but he chose to stay and record the ending for the aliens and then died…

[former_trader]

@MoreMoneyPleas

One big stink with preppers is they take years prepping to live six months longer during the apocalypse than the rest of us. When I say preppers, I don’t mean preparing, I mean straight drilling and canning food on the daily type stuff. Buying some land and guns in a precautionary fashion is cool, but prepping for a decade like the peeps on that tv show, just to live an extra five months is stupid.

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