Thanks Mikey. This is all on demo - no actual funds have been traded here.
I’m trying to learn this but what I’m reading (from multiple sources) isn’t congruent with what is actually happening. EG, the image below is everywhere and the convergence of spot and future seems to be a recurring theme in every piece of literature I’ve read. EG, both of these examples below suggest that the convergence is more of a certainty than a probability:
In its simplest form my thought was
“There must be some way to profit from the basis between spot and future knowing that eventually they will both converge”.
Sell the future, buy the spot, knowing that the gap between them should narrow/close entirely
I wouldn’t really care which way the market goes as I’d be hedged (other than the risks I posted above like the gap widening, etc).
Now, from my understanding, the image above would not be profitable as the overnight fees you would pay on the LONG spot position would equal or exceed any profits you would make on the basis narrowing/closing.
However, when in backwardation and the SPOT price > Front Future so:
IMAGE B
You receive the overnight payments (as I’m selling the spot).
So my current understanding is that I should be able to profit from image B in two ways:
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Receive overnight payments due to the SHORT SPOT position.
This will positive while the Far Future>Front Future. If Far Future<Front Future, this will be negative.
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Hold both positions (Short spot and Long future) open and profit from the narrowing/closure of the gap/basis as expiry approaches.
I don’t care if they go up or down, just that the gap between Spot and Front future converges or narrows.
To answer your questions:
1. Why do you receive the payment?
It’s effectively a synthetic “cost-of-carry”.
In the brokers words: Commodities might incur cost of carry charges for the transport, storage and insurance of the asset – assuming that a trader takes ownership of the commodities which they have a position on.
Derivatives such as CFDs incur cost of carry as overnight funding fees. At IG, we make an interest adjustment to your account to reflect the cost of funding your position. We debit your account if the position is long, and we credit your account if the position is short.
2. The only way you get paid?
The only way I get paid is when I close the trade or let it expire which is when all profits/losses will be crystalised on the account. With the exception of the overnight credits which are automatically credited each night. (I only target markets where I take a short position in the SPOT market and the Far future>Front Future).
3. If so it seems link you are playing a trade on the relative basis change between the “spot and near future” and “near future and far future”.
Exactly. My overnight payments are determined by the front future vs far future and the basis between the spot & front future.
So the perfect storm would look like:
So if the gap between Spot and DEC23 was 30 points with 10 days till expiry and the DEC23 expired at the spot price, I would profit 30 points + 10 overnight payments (variable based on rates and front/far future prices).
Other than the following risks, I cant see any problems:
- The DEC23 does not expire at the spot price and the 30 point basis/gap remains - or worse, the basis between SPOT and DEC23 expands.
- The JAN24 future price goes lower than the DEC23 future price (this will cause my nightly payments to become negative).
Thanks.