I believe the internet protocol is to mark *spoilers* and then put some space in between so people have a chance to, you know… make a decision not to continue reading.
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Thankfully I avoided this place yesterday but that would have been pretty obnoxious if I read that before the episode.
Spoilers (for show watchers who haven’t watched last night’s episode)
So can someone explain the Hodor scene? So Bran was warging back to Winterfell while Hodor was trying to save him from the white walkers and that caused Willis to become Hodor? I got so confused
Time travel and stuff, I guess. Basically GOT has become L O S T.
Yes, departing from the books seems to give GOT a different feel. I’m not sure I like it, though there have been a few nice moments, like Starks getting reuinited and such. But then come scenes like Danny and Jorah last night, which totally felt un-Martin-esque and seemed much more like something from “Days of our Lives”.
OK, now I’m going to say something about what happened in ep 5. If you haven’t watched it yet, then it’s time to look away or accept a spoiler.
My take on the Hodor stuff is that because Bran was still back in old Winterfell and too spaced out in the present to do anything, Hodor/Willis had some kind of connection made real by his presence. So the only way to warg into Hodor was basically to go through Willis. This seemed to work fine until the point where Hodor is about to die (or perhaps happens once he does die).
Yes, it’s kinda weird and doesn’t fully make sense, but I don’t think the audience is really supposed to understand the exact mechanism and just accept the realization that Bran now feels that Hodor’s life as a one-worded idiot is more or less his doing. Perhaps it also means that when you warg into a person (or even other animals), you have the power to crush their minds.
As for the time travel, my understanding is that Bran can go wherever there are Wierwood trees, although that wouldn’t necessarily explain how he arrived at the Night King’s base.
Makes sense to me. In order for Hodor to become Hodor and ultimately save Bran, at some point Hodor needed be become retarded. Had last night’s episode shown him get kicked in the head by a horse, we’d all be complaining about that. Instead, Bran is actually responsible for turning Hodor into Hodor, thereby enabling him to be easily warged into and save Bran. This won’t happen in the books because it’s already been stated Hodor said nothing but Hodor his entire life, but I thought it was a rather elegant solution to yesterday’s episode.
As for wierwood.net, it’s said in the books (and I thought Bloodraven said it in the show two seasons ago) that once Bran realizes his full potential, he can travel anywhere (and any time) without being next to a weirwood. And, we’ve already seen that he arrives at places that aren’t next to a weirwood (inside Winterfell, the Tower of Joy) so arriving at the Night King’s base doesn’t seem unusual to me.
Also, it would probably be nice if a Mod would put “spoilers” in the subject line.
And…only two direwolves left. That made me sad.
My only point around the spoiler was because the episode leaked early yesterday, and Palantir’s comment is timestamped well before show actually aired, so it was a legitimate spoiler.
If you go into a GOT topic without having seen the show when it aired, then that’s on you. But dropping legit spoilers of leaked info without any wiggle room to get out of reading it is kinda messed up.
Didn’t notice that. Fair point.
How did the episode leak early? Someone get ahold of a torrent or something?
if palantir went back and edited his post later the original time stamp will remain and wont be updated.
Stop whining, I clearly marked it a spoiler and there is no standard way of noting spoilers other than putting a spoiler warning in front of it. Calling the whaaambulance.
Am I the only one who feels like GOT just jumped the shark? This time travel stuff creates all kinds of paradoxes. If Bran can change time then he could just go back and stop the COTF from creating white walkers. He could prevent the Mad King from killing his uncles and revise history completely to prevent Robert’s Rebellion. I seriously hate this plot device and I really don’t see anyway out of it without raising all of these questions now. For all we know now every single thing that has already happened in the show could have been influenced or caused by Bran’s new Time-Warging powers.
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I’m a fan of this season, but I agree with your point. Bran isn’t supposed to be able to influence the past. Then again, it’s not at all clear in the books how he’s supposed to influence anything.
It also seems to be a contradiction from what the three-eyed-raven tree dude said in the previous episode “the ink is dry” you can’t change the past etc. So does this mean that Bran has powers that he did not? I’ve already read some book fan commentary that seems to think that this is where the show is taking a large turn from the books. What do you book readers think?
I see the point too, but in this case it’s a positively reinforced time-link. The Hodor of today wouldn’t have been possible if Bran hadn’t been observing. So it’s not clear if Bran actually has the power to change anything in the past. Though admittedly it opens the door to wacky questions.
Yes, it hurt to see Summer killed by the King of Winter’s forces. That was a hard moment. I somehow fear that Summer might get wighted, rather like the horses. It would be interesting to see if Bran can warg into a Wight.
Who’s left? I can only think of Ghost.
Lady was killed by order of Robert Baratheon.
Grey Wind went down at the Red Wedding
Summer bit it last night at the hands of the Night King’s wights.
Arya had one. I dont recall Nymeria getting killed, but she’s clearly not hanging around.
Rickon must have had one, but I don’t remember anything about it. Did the guys who caught Rickon say they killed a direwolf? I think they did.
Doggie?? Noo!
You know nothing bchad.
A girl has a dog?
I wasn’t trying to make a big deal about it, but the point is you wrote “Spoiler: (insert spoiler)”. For people who are capable of reading more than one word at a time, I would have read Hodor died before my brain told me to stop. I’ve literally never seen anyone do that before. You can call the whaaambulance or maybe just not get all defensive about it and be more aware/considerate of your actions next time.
Then again you were probably the only person posting here on a Sunday afternoon/night anyway. So hacksaw.
Yeah I was gonna say. Nymeria in the wind has been something I’ve been hanging onto since very early on. That better pay off big time. Same with Benjen Stark.
Ok, so maybe Nymeria is runing around keeping an eye on Arya, or maybe they’ll meet up later. I sure hope there’s an explanation that doesn’t make it so much of a Deus ex Machina moment, like “look, Arya just happens to wander through wherever Nymeria happend to be running around.”
When does Arya get separated from Nymeria…
(ok, I looked this up: Nymeria attacks Joffrey in defense of Arya early in Season 1. When Cercei demands that the wolf be killed, Nymeria is nowhere to be found, so Sansa’s Lady gets killed instead. Presumably Arya tells Nymeria to run away (maybe this was shown, I don’t remember), and so Nymeria is running around what is probably the Riverlands).