Thanks for the input bromion. As far as the window seat goes, does the window seat passenger also have a right to control the window shade as he pleases, or does he have the “burden” of being the one who has to operate it for the good of all persons in the row?
So if I chose not to recline, either for the purpose of being polite or just because I am more comfortable not reclining, I am free to use that space for other purposes?
^ He controls the window shades in exchange for having the embarrassment to wake up two people to take a piss.
Such as??
^ Could said person rent that space?
If a coach or economy class seat is against a bulkhead and can not recline, is that seat sold at a discount relative to the seat directly in front if it? If it is not, I would argue that you are not paying anything for the ability to recline.
Similarly, what about a tray table. I paid for that. My seat came with it. I am entitled to use it, which I cannot do when you recline. It’s the same logic.
Maybe you misunderstood what I said (and hence, misunderstood my ethics as well). I DID NOT ASK THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME TO SIT UP STRAIGHT, BECAUSE I FELT THAT HE HAD THE RIGHT TO RECLINE, AS MUCH AS THAT MIGHT HAVE SUCKED FOR ME FOR 13 STRAIGHT HOURS.
When I fly, I consciously choose not to recline, because I remember that 13 hour flight to Chile and how much it sucked. I just call it “being nice to the guy behind you”. This is a personal preference that I don’t hold others to, but you’re still an asshole if your head is in my lap for 13 straight hours, whether you pay for it or not.
Yup
I’m going to start asking people this question in real life. It’s been very revealing.
I don’t recline because I’m more comfortable sitting up. I often use a backpack as my carry on bag though, and would love to hang it off the back of my seat instead of putting it under the seat in front of me or in the overhead compartment. It has a bunch of straps so I could secure it in such a way that it won’t fall off in the event of turbulance. Assuming it occupies the same area that my seatback would be occupying if I were to recline, I should be good, right?
Can Kate Upton put her head in your lap for 13 straight hours?
I always love the “this is not up for debate” position. Really open minded.
The fact that one is able to do something, doesn’t mean he is entitled to do it. It is possible the seat is designed to recline because the airline may appreciate certain circumstances: nobody behing you, child sitting behind you, you have asked and received permission from the person behind you.
Sorry bro, it is debatable. I don’t know the answer, but assuming the space belongs to you becasue the seats have the ability to recline is incorrect.
Some of us are forgetting that those bothered by reclining seats are largely big f’ing dudes that will smash the little pip squeaks chirping about their “reclining rights.”
I’m a little curious about exactly what airlines these whiners are flying on where people recline so far they have a head in their lap. Air Canada has 5 inches of recline. American and United have less, 4 and 3 inches respectively. We aren’t talking about a lay flat bed being unrolled on you. We are talking about an adjustment to recline about as far as a seat in a car.
Little Guy Syndrome
What kind of car do you drive that your seats only recline a couple of inches?
^ I’m talking about recline while driving.
can’t the same argument be made against people who recline? really dude being able to recline 3 inches is the difference between comfort and discomfort for you? pussy.
Well I step up and pay for my economy plus seat so I’m probably reclining more like 7" to 8" on Air Canada (but there is a much more generous pitch on AC, 6 more inches in premium. I avoid American based airlines like the plague.
The chairs recline for a reason. If you think there is a debate, please explain to me why the chairs were specifically designed for the purpose of reclining, have done so for decades, and are universally installed on planes across the world.
If you cut to the chase, the supposed debate boils down to “I’m selfish, and don’t want people in front of me to use the seats for the specific function they are designed for.” That’s not a debate. You can call it an opinion, but it’s a wrong opinion. You’re obviously entitled to whatever opinion you want but if you’re behind me and I want to recline my chair I’m going to do that. If you give me any crap about it, I’m calling the stewardess over to get you a new seat.
In terms of the space behind the seat, to higg’s point, I have no issue with that as long as it doesn’t block the tray (I paid for that too). A backpack might be pushing it but if you want to drape your sweatshirt or something over it I have no issue.
The window shade belongs to the window guy. Some flights have specific rules about when the shade can or cannot be in the down position. In the absence of flight specific rules, it’s at the window guy’s discretion.