It’s all about the prestige factor. Most people I know will choose a cushy desk job over a trade job even if they were getting paid less for the former simply due to public’s perception of those jobs. Unless that changes, most people won’t choose trade over finance.
I wish there was a way to duplicate this thread and have a clone in careers
^ if we all post exactly what we posted in succession, without a troll mucking it all up, this can be done. lead the way Greenie.
Public perception changes and has changed. It really wasn’t that long ago that being a tradesman was held in high regard. I think the draft exemption for college students in WW2 played a big roll in changing that perception. I hope the Europeans here will correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that the trades are still well respected in Europe, Germany particularly.
^ The definition of trades is not exactly the same in Europe, especially Germany. Office jobs are trades there, it’s quiet a bit different.
it might be because north america is seen a creative society, or at least that’s what we strive for, while europe and particularly asia is seen as a technical society. there’s a reason why german and japanese engineering is so well regarded and american engineering is not. these are broad views and individuals obviously have differing views within each society, but this is my take on how each society sees itself and how others from outside see them.
I completely agree that higher education is a waste for many and you can blame the government for making it sound like it is the bomb. But, go watch goodwill hunting if you don’t understand why you’re not a welder. We all had a choice because of aptitude, work ethic or class. Many did not. Remember that when talking to the average Joe please. When they watched me sleep through Calculus, I doubt many where encouraged to follow me to engineering school. Just as when I watched a roommate play the bass by ear, I knew music was probably not for me. I would have had a long road ahead for sure.
Oh please, what a condescending soap box, “remember that when talking to the average joe please.” Yes, when the big powerful BOM’s of AF venture out into the ghettos to speak with the normals, please remember their wretched state so as not to seem oblivious to their plight as they bask in the light of our glory. This is why everytime I have a contractor work on my house I allow them to choose one trinket from my garage to go home and share with their family as a token of their faithful labor.
Christ almighty, they’re updating the lighting, not serving in a forced labor camp and they’re getting paid better than Greenman and half the people on this forum to do it.
And while everyone here assumes tradesmen can’t pull ladies, it’s clear you’ve never tried to walk into a country bar with your ferragamos and bragged about being a banker. I had to go into a dive bar in my podunk town in prom attire once with a fake ID to buy the booze. Top 10 most uncomfortable experiences of my life.
Well, I’ve made the mistake of complaining about my career path in the presence of those that had fewer options. let’s just say it wasn’t appreciated. I’ve learned to have a little prespective and realize not everyone had the choices I had. BS, hate to break it to you, your aptitude is your privilege and many wish they had it. Might as well not throw it in their face.
people arguing past each other…an AF staple since inception.
can you explain this line? did you ‘pull a lady’ in your ferragamos? or you saying that people don’t ‘pull ladies’ because they’re out of touch with their audience?
^ “they” refers to tradesmen. Someone alluded to preferring ferragamos to steel toed and another comment was made about plumbers not pulling women. The point was that it’s audience dependent. What works in NYC is not the same as the country, where the NYC type would look silly and the tables would be reversed. It was a tangential point. I was just teed up on what sounded like condescention.
^i"m thinking you and ghibli are saying the same thing.
don’t judge a person by what they do
I think you came to the wrong place.
hahaha that comment was only in the context of their last two posts
If there is ever an AF Hall of Fame, this post should be featured prominently in it.
whats BOM?
Similar to poker, if you don’t know who the mark is, you’re it. I’m thinking discretion is really only needed once you move out of the back office and start throwing bananas, but it doesn’t hurt to start working on your social skills early.
Back Office Monkey?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/fashion/watches-philippe-dufour.html?_r=0
“Things were different in his day. Mr. Dufour was born in 1948 in Le Sentier, a village in the Joux Valley, the heart of Swiss watchmaking. “When I finished at the local school, I crossed the street and went to the École Technique,” he said. “It is there I learned how to make a watch.””