The Dark side of Dubai

“However, a sizable number of foreign accredited universities have been set up in the city over the last ten years. Some of these universities include Michigan State University Dubai (MSU Dubai), the Birla Institute of Technology & Science, Pilani - Dubai(BITS Pilani), Heriot-Watt University Dubai, American University in Dubai (AUD), the American College of Dubai, Mahatma Gandhi University (Off-Campus Centre), SP Jain Center Of Management, University of Wollongong in Dubai, Institute of Management Technology and MAHE Manipal. In 2004, the Dubai School of Government in collaboration with Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government and Harvard Medical School Dubai Center (HMSDC) were established in Dubai. RIT Dubai is a satellite campus of Rochester Institute of Technology in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. The plans for the college, which will be located in the Dubai Silicon Oasis, was announced on 5 December 2007. The campus is planned to open in Fall 2008. In 2009, it is planned that there will be a full-time graduate program offered, and in 2010, a full-time undergraduate program. By 2019, RIT plans to expand the campus to 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m²), accepting around 4,000 students.”

Rudeboi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dubai is actually a city and a very small one too > ,realtive to NYC , Toronto or Mumbai . They have > invested in education as well since a lot of > international universities have setup branches > there . They do have a small ship building > industry there as well . As far as morals go they > tend to look away when it comes to the abundance > of hookers there since it brings in tourism but > you can get arrested for public displays of > affection . However they are still a lot less > conservative than some of the neighbouring > countries . I agree that whatever they are doing > is not sustainable long term unless they develop > stable a manufacturing sector . manufacturing = power. power = water. no water = no power. no power = no chance.

Matt, you bring up some good points about the long-term viability of the city, good points indeed.

TheAliMan - i think over the last 2 yrs NYU ( STERN ) and University of London have also been added to that list .

The money quote IMO from this article: Later, in a hotel bar, I start chatting to a dyspeptic expat American who works in the cosmetics industry and is desperate to get away from these people. She says: “All the people who couldn’t succeed in their own countries end up here, and suddenly they’re rich and promoted way above their abilities and bragging about how great they are. I’ve never met so many incompetent people in such senior positions anywhere in the world.” She adds: “It’s absolutely racist. I had Filipino girls working for me doing the same job as a European girl, and she’s paid a quarter of the wages. The people who do the real work are paid next to nothing, while these incompetent managers pay themselves £40,000 a month.”

Interesting. I see both sides of the coin. It is absolutely terrible what is going on with Dubai’s workers. On the other hand, the Sultan is right in some regards. If the model fails, the Islamist model will take over… and thats even worse. I know that statement is so PR incorrect, but being PR correct isn’t usually about being right. Its about feelings. I have mixed feelings for Dubai now. I had always gloated at the fact this bubble would pop, but it really is the only place in the ME, besides Isreal, that has any form of freedom. Sure it has got A LOT of work to do (I cannot stress that enough), but I’d say its an improvement over many of the other neighboring countries.

CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I have mixed feelings for Dubai now. I had always > gloated at the fact this bubble would pop, but it > really is the only place in the ME, besides > Isreal, that has any form of freedom. Sure it has > got A LOT of work to do (I cannot stress that > enough), but I’d say its an improvement over many > of the other neighboring countries. Where have you been in the ME ?

The money quote IMO from this article: Later, in a hotel bar, I start chatting to a dyspeptic expat American who works in the cosmetics industry and is desperate to get away from these people. She says: “All the people who couldn’t succeed in their own countries end up here, and suddenly they’re rich and promoted way above their abilities and bragging about how great they are. I’ve never met so many incompetent people in such senior positions anywhere in the world.” She adds: “It’s absolutely racist. I had Filipino girls working for me doing the same job as a European girl, and she’s paid a quarter of the wages. The people who do the real work are paid next to nothing, while these incompetent managers pay themselves £40,000 a month.” If it were not for liberalism and liberals in United States, this practice would be prevalent in our society as well.

CFABLACKBELT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting. I see both sides of the coin. It is > absolutely terrible what is going on with Dubai’s > workers. On the other hand, the Sultan is right > in some regards. If the model fails, the Islamist > model will take over… and thats even worse. I > know that statement is so PR incorrect, but being > PR correct isn’t usually about being right. Its > about feelings. > > I have mixed feelings for Dubai now. I had always > gloated at the fact this bubble would pop, but it > really is the only place in the ME, besides > Isreal, that has any form of freedom. Sure it has > got A LOT of work to do (I cannot stress that > enough), but I’d say its an improvement over many > of the other neighboring countries. I think the Sheikh is using the prospect of wider islamism as a threat to detractors, a threat that is widely off base, there is always a middle path. Id venture to say the level of freedom enjoyed in Dubai is about the same as that which exists in Iran. However, since Dubai is friendly to the west and Ahmadinejad mouths off all the time we like to overlook certain things.

marcus phoenix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The money quote IMO from this article: > > Later, in a hotel bar, I start chatting to a > dyspeptic expat American who works in the > cosmetics industry and is desperate to get away > from these people. She says: “All the people who > couldn’t succeed in their own countries end up > here, and suddenly they’re rich and promoted way > above their abilities and bragging about how great > they are. I’ve never met so many incompetent > people in such senior positions anywhere in the > world.” She adds: “It’s absolutely racist. I had > Filipino girls working for me doing the same job > as a European girl, and she’s paid a quarter of > the wages. The people who do the real work are > paid next to nothing, while these incompetent > managers pay themselves £40,000 a month.” > > > If it were not for liberalism and liberals in > United States, this practice would be prevalent in > our society as well. I thought it already was :wink:

> Id venture to say the level of freedom enjoyed in > Dubai is about the same as that which exists in > Iran. However, since Dubai is friendly to the west > and Ahmadinejad mouths off all the time we like to > overlook certain things. Sorry dude but this is utter BS.

nirjraina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Id venture to say the level of freedom enjoyed > in > > Dubai is about the same as that which exists in > > Iran. However, since Dubai is friendly to the > west > > and Ahmadinejad mouths off all the time we like > to > > overlook certain things. > > > Sorry dude but this is utter BS. they oth lock you up for talking bad about the government, how are they any different?

SeanC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > they oth lock you up for talking bad about the > government, how are they any different? Can you say bad to the Queen in UK?

surveyinn Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SeanC Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > they oth lock you up for talking bad about the > > government, how are they any different? > > > Can you say bad to the Queen in UK? Are you kidding, of course, there have been republican groups in the UK supporting the abolishment of the monarchy for hundreds of years, they havent been oppressed in recent times.

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