adehbone, I’m not denying that McKinsey asks for GMATs. But these weren’t applications to McKinsey. These were resumes in a resume book in a PE Group. I work at one of the world’s top banks. They would laugh you out of the office if you were a 31-year-old applicant hawking your GMAT, GPA and undergraduate clubs. That automatically suggests to the hiring manager that you aren’t qualified. As a side note, listing a GMAT isn’t as douchey as listing your SAT scores or GPA in a professional resume when you are over the age of 30. But it is in the top 10 douche things to do.
NYCanalyst, you’re not understanding what I was saying in the begining. If you are over the age of 30 and you list test scores (Mensa, GMAT, GPA), it is a douchey thing to do. There is a reason people don’t list GPAs when they have 10-years (frankly, 2 years) of work experience even though a high GPA would also be suggestive of higher abilities. I’m not saying there isn’t an “economic” reason for companies to want highly intelligent people–I’m just pointing out that those people are douchebags who prominently list their GMAT score when they have an MBA and years of relevant work experience and, while they might be hired by my company, I guarantee my boss would have a good laugh about it before sending over an offer letter.
Be glad you don’t work for a european firm. One who asks for your high school marks, not just university. While keeping them on file as you move throughout your career. It’s all about tailoring your resume, if your applying Mckinsey you put the GMAT on there. If your applying to some small firm with 3 partners much older, you do not put it on there.
adehbone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Be glad you don’t work for a european firm. One > who asks for your high school marks, not just > university. While keeping them on file as you move > throughout your career. It’s all about tailoring > your resume, if your applying Mckinsey you put the > GMAT on there. > > If your applying to some small firm with 3 > partners much older, you do not put it on there. I concur.
before I got to business school, I saw some resumes with gmats on them and thought that was a little pretentious. but when I was in school, I realized it was a pretty common thing to do, especially if you could throw a 730+ score on it. Some of those consulting or IB jobs are really competitive to get, and if your resume doesn’t make the first cut, you’re obviously screwed. The traditional mba routes like consulting and IB love to ask about all your past test scores (gmat, SAT) and grades (mba grades, undergrad grades, everything). There’s always rumors floating around that xyz firm has a certain gpa and gmat cut-off, but it’s hard to know for sure. now that I’m out of school, I wouldn’t list my gmat and mba gpa anymore.
NYCAnalyst86 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kkent Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > NYCAnalyst86 Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > kkent Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > I would take it a step further. Anyone > > listing > > > > their undergraduate GPA or SAT/GMAT score > on > > a > > > > PROFESSIONAL resume when 30+ should be > drawn > > > and > > > > quartered. > > > > > > Coming out of MBA School, many companies (GS, > > > McKinsey, etc) request GMAT scores on the > > resume. > > > > > > Well, clearly that isn’t the case in the UVa > > resume book as about 90% didn’t list it. So I > > guess the other 90% are just dumb. > > > Wrong. > > 1. That’s not the entire UVA resume book. > 2. There are only 21 resumes in the class of 2007 > book. 5 of them list their GMATs. 5 / 21 = 24% > 3. There are only 47 resumes in the class of 2008 > book. 17 of them list their GMATs. 17 / 48 = 36%. > 4. In total, there are only 68 resumes both resume > books. 22 of them list their GMATs. 22 / 68 = > 32%. It looks like a douchebag is defending a slew of douchebags.
Based on what I’ve seen, it is common practice to put your GMAT score on your resume if you are recruiting out of an MBA program. Typically, one would put their GMAT score on their resume if they scored significantly higher than their school average or had a very high absolute score (730+). Full disclosure: I’m an Associate at a top 10 bank, no MBA, but accepted to two “top five” FT MBA programs this year in R1. I have my GMAT on my resume, but have left off SAT score and undergrad grades. If you have good stats, you need to flaunt them.
I had 5 years of work experience and a HF wanted to see my SAT scores prior to interview, or any standardized test scores through time. This was a good HF I’m sure people in the industry know and, since it is relevant, I had high SAT scores. Some places want to see it just as part of the total picture, maybe to help determine why you got a scholarship or award, maybe to determine what type of intelligence you have (smart and lazy, average and diligent, or smart and diligent), etc. I did not get the job, and they actually hired somebody with more experience who was also asked for their SAT/GRE/GMAT/LSAT/whatever scores.
McKinsey, Booz Allen, and Boston Screwing Group ask for GMAT overall score, and even for the Math and verbal scores. I also have been asked for my TOEFL total score and sub-scores, and not only which courses I took in business school, but also if I took those courses with the powerhouse teacher of XYZ or not.
I was asked by McKinsey for my Math grade in High School. Luckily I got an A.
^^ If McKinsey bothers to ask you anything at all, you’ll probably have grade A in all subjects and not just one A in math.
i was told they wanted my preschool “O” outstanding grade… too bad I didn’t get a + next to that O… damn you Steven! I HATE YOU FOREVER for stealing my top rank
I once applied to all the major investment banks online for an internship. They all asked for GMAT and GPA. CS asked additionally for all the high school grades. It didn’t matter whether you were over 30. Lucky me it was easy for me to remember my HS grades, as I only had one, but I don’t keep the proof of that any more.
Kkent: Many MBAs have NO relevant experience. People get MBAs to change careers. You have military officers trying to be bankers, engineers trying to be traders, teachers trying to do brand management. These people list high GPAs and GMATs to demonstrate their ability to learn a new field in a short amount of time. Also: 1 - Employers may spend 30 seconds on a resume. High numbers catch the eye. 760 GMAT + 3.8 GPA captures attention. 2 – You underestimate how pretentious and douche I-Bankers and consultants are. These are the type of people who revel in their stats.