I’m not saying it would solve our issues with people just going bat-shit-crazy and shooting people, but if people have proper gun education then it’s a good starting point to reduce some of our gun problems.
I also hate the comparisons to cars and trucks. We need cars and trucks. We don’t need AR-15’s. We just don’t. Further, steps are taken after incidents like in NYC or the Boston Bombing. What action is taken after mass shootings? Why does a dishonorably discharged violent person need an AR-15?
AR-15s are good for home defense. What do you suggest happen to all of the AR-15, AK-47, and other rifles out there?
From what I’m reading about this shooter in Texas, he was court-martialed for assaulting his wife and child, received a bad-conduct discharge and imprisoned for 12 months. Should he have had access to this weapon?
Home defense from what? The Soviets? Red Dawn was a great movie, I’ll give you that.
Ah yes, the we’re already f***ed so let’s do nothing take. I don’t know, but at the very least it should be harder for violent people going forward to obtain assault weapons legally. At least it’s something. Do a background check. Deny people who shouldn’t have access to weapons. How hard is that? Why would any responsible gun owner object to that?
wrong thread
So you don’t think Americans should have the right to salivate and fantasize about obliterating home invaders in the most excessive way possible? It seems very un American to just shoot a burglar once, rather than explode his corpse with high powered automatic weaponry in a fashion that is reminiscent of 1980s films like Rambo 3 or Commando.
https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
Texas’ governor said on Monday to CNN that Kelley was denied a gun permit by the state. “So how was it that he was able to get a gun? By all the facts that we seem to know, he was not supposed to have access to a gun,”
He was denied a gun permit because it’s against the law for him to own a gun. Individuals convicted of a misdimeanor crime of domestic violence lose their right to own a gun. It’s a good thing there were two good-armed citizens there to stop him from going somewhere else and shooting people.
“It’s not a gun problem, it’s a mental health problem”
So can we have mental health care?
“No.”
#GOP
Mental health care is such a complex situation. We desperately need it as a nation and maybe this would be a better class to have in HS than ‘gun awareness’ (think relating to children about how to handle stress, coping mechanisms etc). But, in the US, mental healthcare is extremely expensive. Not only that, but the people who need mental healthcare are sometimes unable to access it, while welfare program addicts are often shuffled into high cost hospitals that the taxpayer pays for. I mean these people are probably racking up $2K/day in hospital bills and not only that but an important part of mental healthcare is a motivation to get better (think AA or something) and if that desire is not present, some of these people stay in the US mental healthcare system for months and rack up $300K in taxpayer bills for 1 person because the food inside the facility is better than they get on the streets and there are free meds for them inside the system.
how come other countries dont experience so many mental health issues?
Probably Americans are under too much pressure without release. Increased pressure isn’t always a bad thing. If you can handle it, it makes you stronger. But, increased pressure with a large amount of Americans having inferior nutrition and a complete unawareness of what their stressors are or how to relieve them, creates a compounding problem in the US. But, compare that to lets say a rice farmer in Asia. He does good hard manual labor, eats pretty clean. This guy is going to be sharp.
Although igor was actually taking a swipe at gun laws, it is true that the US reports a very high incidence of mental illness compared to most other countries. Part of this is probably due to inequality, a culture of competitiveness at work, and relatively easy access to drugs (substance addiction is apparently a mental illness). However, I suspect that the US also over diagnoses mental illness relative to other countries. In the US, ADHD is a prominent problem. In China or South Korea, they just smack you and say you are a failure child.
^This. There’s a difference between having a mental illness and being diagnosed with a mental illness.
And as I’ve said many many times - this guy broke the law by having a gun. He wanted to have a gun legally, and the state said no. So he got one illegally. So for all you gun-control-activists who say “We should make guns illegal”–you realize that this still would have happened, right?
He got them legally in Colorado fool.
An official at the Pentagon tells NPR’s Tom Bowman that a mistake resulted in neither the arrest nor the conviction being listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the database that would have flagged him as ineligible to purchase a firearm.
Let’s be real: very few of those who support gun control guys want an absolute, total ban on weapons. Personally, I think that if someone wants to buy a rifle and go hunting in the weekend, it’s their business and has nothing to do with me. Equally, if you simply feel safer knowing that you have a shotgun in the house to defend your kids, fair enough.
But there’s no conceivable reason that any American citizen should own an AR-15, a pump action shotgun, armor-piercing bullets or a high-capacity magazine.
#CaseInPoint
Claim: “There’s no conceivable reason that any American citizen should own an AR-15, a pump action shotgun, armor-piercing bullets or a high-capacity magazine.”
Verdict: FALSE
Most large game loads would qualify as “armor piercing bullets” under most proposed legislation.
Pump action shotguns are the most commonly used style of fowl hunting rifle as well as large game in states that don’t allow high power rifles for deer. Pump action shotguns are also widely considered the bar none best in home defense.
AR 15’s and high capacity magazines clearly have conceivable reasons for ownership as millions of people own them and basic tenets of economics would suggest they did not make the purchase without reason. Extrapolation suggests citizens own them for the same reasons as virtually all LEO’s.
Far too many opinions in your “objective” response, Fact Check.
And if you’re able to keep a straight face while justifying why Americans should own AR-15s and high capacity magazines, then – hate to say it but – you’ve played Grand Theft Auto one too many times.
#disappointed