Intermittent Fasting?

seek help. And I’m not talking about weight.

I’ve never head of meal frequency messing with circadian rhythms. Kinda makes sense. Interesting - I’ll have to look that up

Sh!t, brah. Blake said “you probably do not have a brain”. That’s just harsh.

I guess some people are not aware. If you posted on bodybuilding.com Misc section you would be. That is a famous copypasta. I wish I could take credit for it but it is as old as the internets.

That’s me. Why do you have to get personal about it?

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You are one good looking dude, Blake!

Prophets, you clearly know way more than I do, but I feel the same about other sources I eventually read from, and so I’m still a little unsure.

When I was looking to learn more about this, I saw lots of pubmed articles and compilations and, basically, together they couldn’t reject any hypothesis beyond “hit your macros/micros”. For every study going one way there were others going the other way. And some samples were basically useless by themselves, like “the effect of X in sedentary 90-yr old ladies who live near the sea”

I’m not trying to argue, but I’m genuinely curious - depending on how strong those links are I may need to make some personal changes. How strong is the academic “conviction”, or so to speak? Do you mean that this 3 meals a day concept is in agreement with the academic majority with unbiased long term studies and representative samples pointing mostly towards the same direction? Or is it what the guys you work with believe more strongly, but there is a good amount of dissenting views among top researchers?

If you could link me to a few studies or any info, here or by PM, I would truly appreciate it. Thanks for any help!

The secret to a successful diet : Chicken in …Tikka out

Do u even lift?

Research shows in animals (and the human trials indicate it, although its early in the process) that eating less calories extrends life spans and reduces a number of diseases. I don’t know if they know the reason why or not, but it’s observed in all animals. The longitudinal studies on humans seem to be finding the same thing. I think Pennington at LSU is conducting the study.

Other than the above, most of what I’ve read is ‘broscience’ and myth. People on misc are jelly they don’t actually know what is going on.

Forever calzone :frowning:

Meh, another fad. It all doesn’t make sense to me, why people feel the need to try all this. The funny thing is, most of these shitty theories come from the USA, where people have a notoriously poor culinary tradition and eat the shittiest foods on the planet.

I think I’m going to do something completely out of the box and invent a diet. Now I know, it will sound completely absurd, at first, but bear with me. I present to you : …the Common Sense Diet. Revolving around a few simple rules:

  • eat as many different vegetables as you can

  • don’t avoid carbs, don’t avoid meat, just eat them in reasonable amount

  • mix it up : eat many different types of carbs, as well as different types of meats, poultry and fish

  • don’t avoid fats, but be careful with them

  • avoid processed foods as much as you can

  • if you want to loose weight, weigh yourself once a week always at the same time (e.g. saturday morning). Keep track of your weight, look at long term trends. If the trend is downwards, you are doing it right. If not, you need to find a way to decrease your calories intake and up your energy consumption, i.e. eat less, do more exercise

3 meals per day is not really ideal. 4-6 is better and the food pyramid below depicts what many nutritionists believe will provide the optimal level of health and life benefits. Even if you just snack on a trail mix in between meals, it will be beneficial to supressing urges and keep your energy up. If you get to 5 meals per day with meals 2 and 4 as snacks, you’re going to notice the difference and feel a lot more energy — needing less coffee and stimulants than before.

That’s the way I see it too. My observation is people in the US are doing the basic stuff *all wrong*, yet can’t figure out why it isn’t working, and thus keep coming up with crazy solutions (while ignoring the obvious ones).

That said my theory on just about everything is “natural = good”. In cave man days people probably went extended periods with no food, and so we are wired for that. So who knows, maybe an occassional fasting session is a good idea.

I thought Steve Jobs did that, along with weird fruit diets and stuff, meh but then he’s dead.

I have long been an advocate of the “let’s just not melt cheese on everything” diet.

I am currenlty on a banana diet, where I eat at least 20 bananas a day. I find it gives me the strength of a chimpanzee.

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Scientifically speaking, IF upregulates chaperone mediated autogaphy (CMA), which in English means that it turns on cellular mechanisms which recycle and breakdown the “junk” in your cells and helps clean them up. What happens over time, is that your cells get clogged with debris – for example in Alzheimer’s neuro fiber tangles – and a brief period of starvations turns your body into a metabolic “distress” such that it tries to recycle junk/proteins in order to feed itself. If you look up the definition of autophagy it means to self-eat – which is what is happening metabolically.

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That’s mostly what I’ve been focusing on when doing my research and why IF caught my attention in the first place. However, haven’t yet found any concrete clinical study that supports the idea that fasting leads to an increase in autuphagy. If you’re aware of any, please share.

http://www.nature.com/cdd/journal/v12/n2s/full/4401765a.html “During nutrient starvation, increased levels of autophagy lead to the breakdown of non-vital components and the release of nutrients, ensuring that vital processes can continue.”

Cell Death and Differentiation (2005) 12, 1542–1552. doi:10.1038/sj.cdd.4401765

Autophagy: molecular machinery for self-eating

Edited by G Melino

T Yorimitsu1 and D J Klionsky1

1Departments of Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology and Biological Chemistry, Life Sciences Institute, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109, USA

It’s legit, although it would be premature to say that it can work for everyone.

It does allow you to somewhat cheat on certain days, which helps psychologically if you’re dieting.

Check out the “Warrior Diet,” which is based on fasting periods. A lot of people swear by it and say they’ve never felt better.

Berardi, Ph.D, and Waterbury (MS) have both tried IF. Their experiences:

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting (this one is more indepth)

http://chadwaterbury.com/get-ready-for-a-new-diet-revolution/

Is this kind of diet for everyone ? or do you have to be ‘healthy’ to begin with?

No, in particular, the Warrior Diet is also for people who want to lose weight.

Looking to shed a few pounds?

:slight_smile:

This thread confuses me.